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Definition of "errors" in a framework agreement
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Tom in London
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Graceless Jan 23, 2019

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


You really do need new glasses. Read my previous posts and PAY ATTENTION. I will no longer be replying to any posts here. Emails alerting me to them will be trashed automatically without me seeing them.

I do find this childish flaming very inappropriate in a forum for professionals. If you want to troll/flame, take it to Twitter.

[Edited at 2019-01-23 12:55 GMT]


 

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Feeling is mutual... Jan 23, 2019

You are one of the rudest people I have ever met on a public forum. Goodbye.

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Woah Jan 23, 2019

Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


You really do need new glasses. Read my previous posts and PAY ATTENTION. I will no longer be replying to any posts here. Emails alerting me to them will be trashed automatically without me seeing them.

I do find this childish flaming very inappropriate in a forum for professionals. If you want to troll/flame, take it to Twitter.


Tom, you have seriously overstepped the mark here.

Nothing offensive was said.

So what is the difference between a framework agreement and a contract?


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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL  Identity Verified
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No reply Jan 23, 2019

Chris S wrote:

Tom, you have seriously overstepped the mark here.

Nothing offensive was said.

So what is the difference between a framework agreement and a contract?


He's turned the email notifications, so he won't be visiting this thread again... or maybe he will...


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The Framework Agreement explained Jan 23, 2019

A Framework Agreement is basically a mutual assertion by two or more parties that they are perfectly capable of drawing up future agreements. Which may seem pointless, granted, but C-suites worldwide, institutions, politicians and governments gleefully rush to use the term as a means of enhancing the meaningless blurb 'n' blaargh they churn out endlessly for the likes of us to translate.

For example, one party, whom we could call "Tom", say, totally at random, could draw up a Fra
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A Framework Agreement is basically a mutual assertion by two or more parties that they are perfectly capable of drawing up future agreements. Which may seem pointless, granted, but C-suites worldwide, institutions, politicians and governments gleefully rush to use the term as a means of enhancing the meaningless blurb 'n' blaargh they churn out endlessly for the likes of us to translate.

For example, one party, whom we could call "Tom", say, totally at random, could draw up a Framework Agreement with another party, whom for the sake of argument we'll call "Giovanni", acknowledging that, although there is no guarantee they will see eye to eye on each and every issue they discuss, they are bound to agree on at least one or more in the foreseeable future. So Tom and Giovanni could easily draw up an FA, as it's sometimes known for short.
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Mervyn Henderson wrote:
Sweet FA

Welcome back


 

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FA Jan 23, 2019

Who's the sharpest tool in the box this afternoon then, Chris? Good one!

 

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Nonsense? Jan 24, 2019

[quote]Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


Where did this 'quoted' post come from, given that there is no trace of this in previous posts from Giovanni?
Have I missed something here?


 

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL  Identity Verified
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lol Jan 24, 2019

[quote]Barbara Carrara wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


Where did this 'quoted' post come from, given that there is no trace of this in previous posts from Giovanni?
Have I missed something here?


It's Chris's creative editing...


 

Barbara Carrara  Identity Verified
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X or T? Jan 24, 2019

[quote]Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

Barbara Carrara wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


Where did this 'quoted' post come from, given that there is no trace of this in previous posts from Giovanni?
Have I missed something here?


It's Chris's creative editing...


Did you mean Tom's?
Apperò!


 

Colleen Roach, PhD  Identity Verified
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No war... Jan 24, 2019

Barbara Carrara wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


Where did this 'quoted' post come from, given that there is no trace of this in previous posts from Giovanni?
Have I missed something here?


It's Chris's creative editing... icon_smile.gif


Me: Regarding the case of the "missing quoted post," I didn't see it either & just assumed that something got a littl
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Barbara Carrara wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

nonsense


Where did this 'quoted' post come from, given that there is no trace of this in previous posts from Giovanni?
Have I missed something here?


It's Chris's creative editing... icon_smile.gif


Me: Regarding the case of the "missing quoted post," I didn't see it either & just assumed that something got a little-out-of-hand & the moderator deleted it. But doesn't that show up as such?

Oh please, don't let battles break out on this forum! I like it for the civility, camaraderie, and a general sense that people here genuinely like helping each other out.

On another forum I occasionally participate in, recently a moderator had to shut down a thread because, as he wryly put it: war was about to break out...

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British tradition Jan 24, 2019

Colleen Roach, PhD wrote:

Oh please, don't let battles break out on this forum! I like it for the civility, camaraderie, and a general sense that people here genuinely like helping each other out.



This is nothing next to Question Time in the House of Commons, a sort of reality TV show where the winner is the one who managed to shout the most eloquent insults at their opponent while addressing them as 'the Right Honourable Member'. It's also a good British tradition to insult each other while accusing the French of being rude.

All we need now is a Bercow clone to shout 'Orderrr!'


 

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The American tradition Jan 24, 2019

Thomas wrote: "It's also a good British tradition to insult each other while accusing the French of being rude."

The American tradition of dealing with someone you disagree with is to shoot them -- although that hasn't YET happened in the august setting of the U.S. congress. But more and more members of congress have been attacked --often seriously and in life-threatening ways. The bodyguard profession is flourishing right now...


 

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I wouldn't sign it for a number of reasons Jan 25, 2019

For one thing, I don't like the idea of customers determining things like this, alone because customers do not have the expertise in my profession, and it is not the role of customers. However, I do have a policy that if I make a serious error, esp. one that causes problems in some way (hasn't happened), I would apply a discount on my side. This is what I see happening when I am a customer receiving a service.

Perhaps they are not used to working with professionals.


 

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one suspicion I had, confirmed maybe Jan 25, 2019

Here:
Tom in London wrote:

.........

There's always an element of risk with any new client, especially this one, which according to the Blue Board is a very late payer.

............. but since they had already complained about my rate (which has not increased for 7 years!!)

Their explanation about this clause was as a protection against translators who do such a bad job that revisors will refuse to do the revision.

I will sometimes get contacted by a company that then has a gazillion rules and instructions, including such things as "check your work for spelling before submitting it" - as though they were used to working with amateurs or trainees. The next usually is that I am too expensive (by far) and that is the end of the story. In other words, they cannot get many quality translators, therefore they have to protect themselves due to the type of service they tend to get, therefore they have to bring in protective measures. I suspected something like that, and what I quoted seems to confirm it.


 
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