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十分 (utf-8 encoded)

English translation: very, pretty, extremely

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Chinese term or phrase:十分 (utf-8 encoded)
English translation:very, pretty, extremely
Entered by: Roddy Stegemann

12:13 Aug 14, 2005
Chinese to English translations [Non-PRO]
Linguistics / grammar/syntax
Chinese term or phrase: 十分 (utf-8 encoded)
This phrase was taken from the following sentence for which I have also provided my humble translation and a question.

Sentence: 那老太太十分有錢，可是她老是穿一件又舊又難看的藍衣服。
Translation: That old woman has enough money, but she always wears the same, old, ugly, blue dress.

Question: Is the phrase 十分 properly placed? If so, would the meaning of the sentence change, if it were placed between 有 and 錢? Are both placements correct?
Roddy Stegemann
United States
Local time: 00:23
My view
Explanation:
old woman 老太婆
old lady 老太太
you could say:
That old lady is rich enough, but...
Just my opinion

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Note added at 42 mins (2005-08-14 12:56:15 GMT)
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Here 十分 modifies 有钱，and in Chinese you can\'t say insert 十分 between 有 and 钱。
So, 十分 is properly placed. And you can\'t say 有十分钱。

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Note added at 43 mins (2005-08-14 12:57:17 GMT)
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sorry, \"say\" is redundant.

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Note added at 1 hr 0 min (2005-08-14 13:13:41 GMT)
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sorry, \"say\" is redundant.
Selected response from:

Haiyang Ai (X)
United States
Local time: 02:23
Grading comment
I would like to thank Haiyang, wherestip, and everyone else for their very helpful answers. I now have a much better notion of the meaning and use of the term 十分.

I am awarding my points to Haiyang, because he did the most to answer my question -- namely, proper placement of the word 十分, not its meaning. In fact, my real problem lay with the use of 有錢. Indeed, my question never would have arisen, had I thought of 有錢 as an adjective, rather than a verb phrase, as I mistakenly did.

Thank you, once again,

Hamo

4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +4My view
Haiyang Ai (X)
3 +1extremely wealthy
wherestip


Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
My view


Explanation:
old woman 老太婆
old lady 老太太
you could say:
That old lady is rich enough, but...
Just my opinion

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Note added at 42 mins (2005-08-14 12:56:15 GMT)
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Here 十分 modifies 有钱，and in Chinese you can\'t say insert 十分 between 有 and 钱。
So, 十分 is properly placed. And you can\'t say 有十分钱。

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Note added at 43 mins (2005-08-14 12:57:17 GMT)
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sorry, \"say\" is redundant.

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Note added at 1 hr 0 min (2005-08-14 13:13:41 GMT)
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sorry, \"say\" is redundant.

Haiyang Ai (X)
United States
Local time: 02:23
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Chinese
Grading comment
I would like to thank Haiyang, wherestip, and everyone else for their very helpful answers. I now have a much better notion of the meaning and use of the term 十分.

I am awarding my points to Haiyang, because he did the most to answer my question -- namely, proper placement of the word 十分, not its meaning. In fact, my real problem lay with the use of 有錢. Indeed, my question never would have arisen, had I thought of 有錢 as an adjective, rather than a verb phrase, as I mistakenly did.

Thank you, once again,

Hamo

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edward LIU: That old lady is very wealthy, but...
12 mins
  -> thanks, wealthy is okay too.
agree  Chinoise
37 mins
  -> thanks
agree  Nigel Jones: I would equate the word 十分 to the English word pretty i.e pretty wealthy, not quite very wealthy but still wealthy
1 hr
  -> Thanks, that's better, I think.
agree  Zhoudan
11 hrs
  -> Thanks.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
十分有钱 (simplified GB2312)
extremely wealthy


Explanation:
an old and ugly blue outfit.

It's not necessarily a dress. It could very well be 蓝制服 which was standard clothing in the Mao era.


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Here\'s some discussions about \"十分\"

http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/phorum/read.php?7,38521,404...

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Note added at 2 hrs 48 mins (2005-08-14 15:02:02 GMT)
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Note added at 2 hrs 53 mins (2005-08-14 15:07:37 GMT)
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The above examples clearly show that \"十分\" means \"very\", \"extrememly\"

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Note added at 2 hrs 54 mins (2005-08-14 15:08:01 GMT)
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extremely

wherestip
United States
Local time: 02:23
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ChineseChinese
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chinoise
15 mins
  -> Thanks
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