koorpartij

English translation: choral arrangement

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Dutch term or phrase:koorpartij
English translation:choral arrangement
Entered by: Chantal Cooper

10:17 Sep 22, 2013
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Music
Dutch term or phrase: koorpartij
Wat is een goede vertaling v Koorpartij en van piano uittreksels

in deze context:

De van de Partituur afgeleide instrumentale of vocale (afzonderlijke) partijen
van het Muziekwerk, waaronder mede begrepen piano-uittreksels en
koorpartijen en gebruiksinstructies voor eventuele Elektronische media, in
fysieke of elektronische vorm.
Chantal Cooper
Netherlands
Local time: 14:26
choral arrangement
Explanation:
Within the context, one would most probably refer to piano transcriptions and choral arrangements.
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telraam
Local time: 14:26
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3choral arrangement
telraam
4 +2choir part
Lianne van de Ven
3 +2choir part
freekfluweel
5choral score
Liesbeth Blom-Smith


Discussion entries: 55





  

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choir part


Explanation:
of

chorus part

https://www.google.nl/search?q=choir part&oq=choir part&aqs=...

en vD

freekfluweel
Netherlands
Local time: 14:26
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lianne van de Ven: Ik ben het met je eens.
3 hrs
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disagree  telraam: Not correct musicological terminology. I have a degree in music, and I say so. A chorus would be restricted to an opera and choir and chorus are not synonyms - in musicological terms, anyway.
7 hrs
  -> Who says?

agree  Jonna Meeuwissen
1 day 21 hrs
  -> Dankjewel!

agree  Barend van Zadelhoff: Voor zover ik er verstand van heb, begin ik te geloven dat dit juist zou kunnen zijn.
2 days 2 hrs
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choral arrangement


Explanation:
Within the context, one would most probably refer to piano transcriptions and choral arrangements.

telraam
Local time: 14:26
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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agree  Alexander Schleber (X): This is right IMO
17 mins
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agree  writeaway: probably the safest way to go. is even idiomatic!! choral seems to have impressed so much it's been adopted by others. another horse/water case I fear. Even your expert explanations aren't understood.
1 hr
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neutral  Lianne van de Ven: Choral arrangement=koorarrangement. "Breed en gedragen in een koorarrangement dat couplet voor couplet opbouwt en vocaal zeer afwisselend is blijft verrassen door prachtige tegenstemmen." http://www.europeanchoralclub.com/files/pdf/MKN_Catalogus_20...
8 hrs

neutral  Jonna Meeuwissen: Eens met de opmerking van Lianne
1 day 20 hrs
  -> Pity, my music degree has no value then

agree  Kirsten Bodart: As the contract must cover all bases, this is the broadest translation that will ensure that the client's rights are not infringed. Several translations are possible in other contexts, but we shouldn't consider those.
2 days 6 hrs
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choir part


Explanation:
Ook in juridische context (gezien de vraagstelling), is choir part goed genoeg.

Q - What is excluded?
A - This license is intended for the reproduction of words and/or music for the congregation in the pews. Specifically excluded are choir parts, accompaniments, or instrumental parts of any kind. Additionally, no choral music (octavos) may be reproduced, except that part of the work that may be identified in the score as intended for congregational singing.
https://www.onelicense.net/index.cfm?go=main.faq

In spoken language, it is more than common to just talk about piano parts and choir parts.

Een arrangement is een variatie op of aanpassing van een bestaand stuk. In deze context gaat het om "afgeleide partijen", waarbij ik denk aan afzonderlijke uitgaven (bladmuziek) voor instrumenten of partijen van een compositie voor orkest. Ik betwijfel of choral arrangement juist is. Dat zou een bewerking voor koor zijn, mogelijk van een andere muzikale partij, of een variatie op een bestaande compositie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrangement


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Note added at 9 hrs (2013-09-22 20:09:42 GMT)
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"De van de Partituur afgeleide instrumentale of vocale (afzonderlijke) partijen (...)

Carmina Burana
(Choral Score) (d.i. partituur)
Carl Orff - Schott Music Distribution
Click to review
Featuring all new engravings, this 72-page publication includes the men's and women's choir parts together for the first time.

http://www.jwpepper.com/sheet-music/school-choral-music/all-...

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Note added at 10 hrs (2013-09-22 20:17:50 GMT)
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En voor de duidelijkheid:

An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure.[1] Orchestration differs in that it is only adapting music for an orchestra or musical ensemble while arranging "involves adding compositional techniques, such as new thematic material for introductions, transitions, or modulations, and endings...Arranging is the art of giving an existing melody musical variety".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrangement

If an instrumental piece is intended to be performed by more than one person, each performer will usually have a separate piece of sheet music, called a part, to play from. This is especially the case in the publication of works requiring more than four or so performers, though invariably a full score is published as well. The sung parts in a vocal work are not usually issued separately today, although this was historically the case, especially before music printing made sheet music widely available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-09-23 12:34:41 GMT)
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Betekenis/relatie partituur en koorpartij:
Deze partituur is overzichtelijk omdat er consequent voor elke koorpartij een aparte balk in beeld is, dus niet bijv. voor tenoren dan weer de G sleutel en dan weer samen met de baspartij in de Bassleutel.
http://www.cantorijmonnickendam.nl/index.php?pid=19

Het beste wat je eventueel zou kunnen doen, is bij de klant navragen wat ze er precies mee bedoelen, en te verduidelijken dat ze niet gemakshalve koorpartij gebruiken terwijl ze koorpartituur (als afgeleide van de hele partituur) bedoelen.

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-09-23 12:39:57 GMT)
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Wil ik ook nog even opmerken dat het belangrijk is om die verschillende koorpartijen auteursrechtelijk te beschermen, want dat zijn individuele melodieën, die gemakkelijk overgenomen worden voor andere/nieuwe composities.

Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 09:26
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  telraam: I disagree with your explanation of arrangement. Take Pictures at an Exhibition, originally written for the piano and later arranged for orchestra. And reduction is seldom used in classical music: cf. Stokovski's Transcriptions of Bach Organ Works.
4 hrs
  -> Take pictures? Reduction? Afgezien daarvan, wat is er mis met de eerste link en "choir part"?

agree  freekfluweel
21 hrs

agree  Jonna Meeuwissen
1 day 17 hrs

agree  Barend van Zadelhoff: Voor zover ik er verstand van heb, begin ik te geloven dat dit juist zou kunnen zijn.
1 day 22 hrs

neutral  Kirsten Bodart: Admittedly, choir/choral/chorus part is a possible translation, but not in this context, IMO. Hence why you can find it, but why Telraam and I both disagree. And I think Telraam was referring to Mussorgsky's work there.
2 days 4 hrs
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23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
choral score


Explanation:
Alleen de koorpartij (met piano-uittreksel): choral score. Koor and andere zangers (solisten) (en uittreksel): vocal score. I move in the musical world in Britain and that is how they are invariably referred to.

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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2013-09-23 16:46:23 GMT)
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As you like, Writeaway. I just happen to spend a lot of time with choral and vocal scores and professionals who use them. By the way, aren't you the person who is always carping and being rude? Try to stay calm and reply politely. :-)

Liesbeth Blom-Smith
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:26
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  writeaway: as part of the partituur?? /I tend to see red with 100% confidence for an incorrect answer and no refs. normally I prefer to neutral. this answer is not correct.
2 hrs
  -> Dear Writeaway, there is nothing to disagree with. This is simply the term that is used.

agree  Barend van Zadelhoff: Voor zover ik er verstand van heb, begin ik te geloven dat dit juist zou kunnen zijn.
1 day 3 hrs

neutral  Kirsten Bodart: I grant you this is a possible translation, but not in this context IMO.
1 day 9 hrs
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