Dubbing Mixer

French translation: mixeur doublage

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English term or phrase:	Dubbing Mixer
French translation:	mixeur doublage
Entered by:	Thierry Darlis

16:41 Dec 31, 2013

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Cinema, Film, TV, Drama

English term or phrase: Dubbing Mixer

Title that appears in the closing credit of a movie.

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mixeur doublage

Explanation:
Orange mecanique
dvdrd.free.fr/Films/Orange%20mecanique.htm‎
Eddie Haben : mixeur doublage. Brian Blamey : monteur son. John Jordan : preneur de son. Peter Glossop : perchman. Bill Rowe : mixeur doublage. Scénario ...

James Bond 007 - L'homme au pistolet d'or
dvdrd.free.fr/.../Homme%20au%20pistolet%20d%20o...‎
Ken Barker : mixeur doublage. Christopher Lancaster : monteur doublage. Ch

37 techniciens - CinEmotions.com
www.cinemotions.com/equipe-Hear-My-Song-tt8661
David Anderson - mixeur doublage ... John Hayward - chef mixeur doublage. Peter Holt - monteur foley. Nicolas Le Messurier - mixeur doublage ...

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3 +1

mixeur doublage

writeaway

4 -1

doublage des voix

HERBET Abel

4 -1

technicien de doublage

Lorraine Dubuc

4 -2

enregistrement des sons

HERBET Abel

3 -2

ingénieur du son

Tony M

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writeaway

Discussion entries: 9

HERBET Abel

20:03 Jan 1, 2014

Ca fait drôle "mixeur", par ex. dire "chargé ou responsable du mixage"

Tony M

France

@ Asker

17:14 Jan 1, 2014

I think that is probably the best solution, and in the context of your list of credits, I think you can safely leave out the 'dubbing' bit, since for an animated film, there isn't really a great deal of mixing that takes place during shooting!

Thierry Darlis

United States

ASKER

16:50 Jan 1, 2014

I found "mixeur" on this website : http://books.google.fr/books?id=unPhu6dHnCkC&pg=PA488&lpg=PA...

Tony M

France

@ Writeaway

16:20 Jan 1, 2014

Well, yes, I thought that was abundantly clear from the outset.

Yet people persist in attempting to apply the wrong term, which in FR can ONLY be applied to the process of re-voicing (usually but not invariably) for foreign language versions. It does NOT have this more generalized meaning as used in EN.

writeaway

It was fairly clear from the start

16:17 Jan 1, 2014

that is not about dubbing in the sense of dubbing one language over another. If one looks on the www, one sees it's used a lot for animated films. I asked to be sure.

Tony M

France

Great Asker!

16:14 Jan 1, 2014

In that case, it's as I thought: this is just a 'normal' dubbing mixer, and nothing whatever to do with foreign language dubbing or 'doublage'

Thierry Darlis

United States

ASKER

13:52 Jan 1, 2014

It is a cartoon http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/tilly-and-friends
here it is :

CLOSING CREDITS
Written by
Script editor

Voice Talent

Production Team
Directed by
Assistant Director
Animation Supervisor
Animation
Compositing Supervisor
Compositing
Art Director
Backgrounds and Props Leads
Backgrounds and Props
Storyboards

Technical Director
Offline Editors

Line Producer
Production Manager
Office Manager
Office Administrator
Production Assistant
Production Intern

Songs by
Music and Songs by

Voice Director
Recording Studio
Sound Design
Dubbing Mixer
Post Production
Online Editor

Tony M

France

Context?

04:01 Jan 1, 2014

Asker, it would help to know what the other associated nearby credits are, just to be sure here.

Is this in the (often separate) set of credits relating to the production of the foreign language version?

writeaway

again

01:08 Jan 1, 2014

what is the film?

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dubbing mixer doublage des voix

Explanation:
on ne rajoute pas en général "chef " de ..., contrôleur de ...responsable du ...

HERBET Abel
Local time: 23:17
Native speaker of: French
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dubbing mixer technicien de doublage

Explanation:
ou technicien au doublage
ou technicien du doublage

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Il s'agit de la personne qui synchronise les voix à l'image lors de doublage d'où le mot 'mixer'.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=technicien+au+doublage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=iPjCUof

Lorraine Dubuc
Canada
Local time: 17:17
Native speaker of:

French

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dubbing mixer

mixeur doublage

writeaway
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dubbing mixer enregistrement des sons

Explanation:
Dubbing Mixer

What do Dubbing Mixers do?
Re-Recording Mixers, formerly known as Dubbing Mixers, work with all the sound elements (dialogue, automated dialogue replacement, foley, sound effects, atmospheres, and music), and mix them together to create the final soundtrack. They are primarily responsible for ensuring that film sound is correct both technically and stylistically.
Setting the relative volume levels and positioning these sounds is an art form in its own right, requiring the skill and aesthetic judgment provided by experienced Re-Recording Mixers. Because of changes in technology, many jobs in sound post production are less easily defined, e.g., on some small to medium budget films, Re-Recording Mixers may also work as sound designers.

HERBET Abel
Local time: 23:17
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 10

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dubbing mixer ingénieur du son

Explanation:
Oddly enough, FR terminology doesn't seem to have a specific term for the 'dubbing mixer', since 'sound engineer' is rather broad, and could encompass the recording engineer on set, for example.

However, the job of a dubbing mixer (and I ought to know, I used to be one!) is to bring together all the sound elements, blending (mixing) them to produce a homogeneous soundtrack that creatively enhances the whole picture.

This kind of 'dubbing' (which is a UK term, the US generally preferring the perhaps more logical 're-recording') is of course nothing to do with dubbing into a foreign language — which is a later re-use of the same word.

Although there may be various kinds of engineers in the foreign-language dubbing process, that's not what the job title 'dubbing mixer' means; though of course, there will also probably need to be a dubbing mixer involved anyway!

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The kind of 'dubbing' that means 'doublage' is most usually referred to as 'foley' — this is about post-synchronization, the adding-back-in of all sound effects, including sync sounds like footsteps and dialogue; in the main credist of a film, this is NOT usually about foreign language versions, simply because of course there would need to be a different credit for each language! Which is why most films have a separate section of credits with, for example 'French version: ...' and then the list of voice talents and technical personnel. This is not, of course, always the case with major feature films, which often do have credits that are better integrated into the main credits. But you will still usually see the 'main' dubbing mixer and any foreign language version staff listed in different places.

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This FR site specializing in movie training lists, in its bilingual pages, the various jobs within the sound department, and also refers just to a mixer; but you will see that there is a slight skew between the terms used:

http://www.centre-factory.com/index.php?l_nr=index.php&l_nr_...

Courses Offered - Career Objectives

sound effects supervisor
sound recorder
dubbing mixer
sound mixer
sound engineer
sound designer
sound effects engineer

illustrateur sonore
opérateur son
mixeur
ingénieur son
preneur de son
sound designer
bruiteur

The two lists as they appear above are as you can see not quite exact word-for-word equivalents

The term 'dubbing mixer' is used exclusively in film production, whereas the terms 'sound mixer' is used in many fields, including TV and live performance; and 'sound engineer' is a more general term still, covering a wider range of activities, and applicable across the board in all media where sound is used; it is in particualr the term usually used for the person doing the mixing in a TV environment.

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'mixeur en post' would probably be a more modern was of expressing it, since 'post(-production)' is commonly used to distinguish between the shooting and editing stages.

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There are plenty of Google hits for 'mixer en post-production', perhaps my attempt to shorten it to just 'post' was a little optimistic! Though we do, even in FR, still often talk about 'post' as short for 'post-production'

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This looks like an interesting ref.:

Dictionnaire général du cinéma: du cinématographe à Internet :

books.google.fr/books?isbn=2762127874

André Roy - 2007 - ‎Cinematography

Aux États-Unis, on distingue le mixeur qui travaille en auditorium (dubbing mixer, re-recording mixer), le mixeur responsable de l'enregistrement du son au ...

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mixage
Opération consistant à mélanger sur une bande unique tous les sons du ﬁlm enregistrés sur d'autres bandes:
les dialogues. le bruitage et la musique (mix, mixing, ARCH. dubbing).
L'ingénieur du son est le responsable du mixage. Il mélange les bandes et les calibre. C'est à partir du mixage que la piste sonore optique est établie. > doublage, postsynchronisation.

mixer
De l'anglais to mix, qui signiﬁe « mélanger ». Procéder au mixage sous la responsabilité d'un mixeur (mix). Mixer, c'est mélanger et calibrer les différentes pistes sonores.

mixeur
Personne responsable du mixage: de l'équilibre. du mélange et de la correction des bandes sonores (mixer).
Aux États-Unis, on distingue le mixeur qui travaille en auditorium (dubbing mixer, re-recording mixer), le mixeur responsable de l'enregistrement du son au moment du toumage (ﬂoor mixer) et le mixeur responsable de l'enregistrement de la musique du ﬁlm (music mixer). Quand deux ou trois personnes travaillent au mixage, en stéréophonie tout particulièrement, ils sont sous la direction d'un chef mixeur.

The above text comes from the (slightly dated) « Dictionnaire général du cinéma » cited above.

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In very many areas within the media, the 'sound engineer' is the name give to the person whose responsibilities include, among other things, mixing the sound. However, in certain specific fields this job may be given a different title, which amounts to materially the same thing, even though there may of course be detail differences. One of these specific fields is movie credits, where the now old-fashioned term 'dubbing mixer' has stuck — and do note, this term has hung on a long time within the BBC (linguistic inertia of a big institution?)

Sadly, I have had trouble finding good on-line examples of FR movie credits, to provide a representative sample of the kind of terms used.

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The kind of 'dubbing' being referred to here is 'mixage de post-production'; any reference to certain other terms is quite wrong.

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My French friend currently working in the film industry says 'mixeur de post-production' is one commonly used term, if it is specifically necessary to differentiate between different types of 'mixeur'.

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In the centre-factory ref. I posted above, it can be seen that dubbing mixer, sound mixer, and sound engineer correspond roughly to mixeur, ingénieur son, preneur de son — but note that this is not an exact one-for-one correspondence; they are using 'ingénieur son' as 'sound mixer', although it can also correspond to 'preneur de son'; and the difference between 'dubbing mixer' and 'sound mixer' is not really as clear cut as all that; the real distinction to be made is between 'production sound mixer' (= during shooting) and 'post-production sound mixer' (= in post, i.e. dubbing [BE] or re-recording [AE])

Tony M
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writeaway: that would be a sound engineer. Don't see how this is an accurate translation into French. /mine isn't inaccurate either, no matter how hard one tries .....

2 hrs

-> A dubbing mixer is one specialized kind of sound engineer, and according to my extensive researches, I have surprisingly not turned up a more specific term in FR. / At least it's not an INaccurate translation, even if it is undesirably broad.

disagree

Lorraine Dubuc: 'Ingénieur du son' is completely different from dubbing mixer

21 hrs

-> No, sorry, Lorraine, it isn't! In our industry, the person who mixes the sound is often called the sound engineer in EN too; it means the same thing as '(dubbing) mixer', though can ALSO have wider connotations, of course.

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Reference

Reference information:
In the post-production process for film and television, the re-recording mixer is responsible for pulling together the complete soundtrack, and refining that audio for technical and aesthetic quality. He or she combines the efforts of the sound effects editor, Foley artist, music editor, and dialogue editor into one cohesive sound product that seamlessly accompanies the images on screen. -
Duties

The re-recording mixer, formerly known as the dubbing mixer, is usually hired at the start of post-production and works under the direction of the supervising sound editor. This person works closely with the larger post sound department, producer, and director to expertly fuse together the numerous audio elements that complete a film or television show. His or her first task is to mix a soundtrack for audience previews of the show. With all sound effects and dialogue complete, the mixer refines the audio, combining the various separate tracks. Finessing the audio includes adding crossfades and balancing the volume of the score underneath the dialogue, as well as ensuring that dynamic sounds are neither too soft nor too overpowering. At this stage, music in the film is usually part of a temporary soundtrack produced by the music editor and music supervisor, and may not make the final cut. Mixing is performed in a dubbing studio, which typically houses a large mixing console and theater-style projection screen, as well as limited seating for viewing rough cuts.
- See more at: http://getinmedia.com/careers/re-recording-mixer#sthash.Ek9G...

A dubbing mixer is a member of a post-production team and is responsible for editing together the dialog, music and sound effects to create the final soundtrack for a production. Dubbing mixers ensure the sound in a film or television program is technically correct and as near to the director's or original idea as possible.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dubbing_mixer

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