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3 | Bruttohandelsspanne und Prozente |
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3 | Bruttogewinnspanne und Rabattspanne / Bruttogewinnmarge und Rabattmarge |
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Skonto ist kein Rabatt |
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front and back trade margin Bruttohandelsspanne und Prozente Explanation: front margin - Bruttogewinnspanne, Bruttomarge, Bruttohandelsspanne back margin - Rabatt, Prozente -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 Stunde (2019-07-19 18:26:45 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-front-and-a-back-margin-dif... Example: Store X buys dog food from a manufacturer for $20.00. Store X likes to take a 20% margin on their products from invoice. So $20.00/(1-.20)=$25.00 The Front margin is $5.00, or more generally 20% for their dog food category. Little do the customers know, there is a “back end promo” in place that for ever bag of dog food Store X sells they get a rebate from the manufacturer for $2.00. The $2.00 (or 10% of invoiced cost) is a “back margin”. |
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front and back trade margin Bruttogewinnspanne und Rabattspanne / Bruttogewinnmarge und Rabattmarge Explanation: FRONT MARGIN: "Bruttogewinnmarge" and "bruttogewinnspanne" both seem OK. Although "bruttogewinnspanne" had somewhat fewer 'hits', I'd prefer to consistently use either "-marge" or "-spanne" for both, and "Rabattspanne" had many more hits than "Rabattmarge" (vide infra). https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Bruttogewinnmarge" (22500) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Bruttogewinnspanne" (8010) "Front margin" does appear to tend to connote the gross difference between selling price (actually paid by the customer) and the (gross) purchase cost of those same goods that were sold. https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-front-and-a-back-margin-dif... https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_f... https://www.kamcity.com/kamwords/front-margin/ See also https://smallbusiness.chron.com/definition-retail-margin-237... https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/101314/what-are-mai... https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cogs.asp If the definitions at the above sites are to be read literally, then it seems to me that this "front margin" would not be 'adjusted' for any sales tax (VAT, GST, etc.); that is, the prices and costs would include taxes that were paid. Furthermore there would be no inclusion of purchase costs of goods that spoiled or were stolen and hence were never sold — although such expenses should be included in overall measures of profitability. With that in mind, "Bruttohandelsspanne" appears not to deal with tax in the desired way, according to the Wikipedia article. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handelsspanne#Berechnung But see also https://www.blitzrechner.de/marge-berechnen/ https://www.unternehmerlexikon.de/marge/ And "Bruttomarge" appears to be less specific, so the ambiguity may lead to interpretations different to the intended one. Perhaps "(brutto)gewinnmarge" is OK. https://debitoor.de/gruenderlounge/unternehmensgruendung/pre... One can also say "Aufschlagsspanne" or "Aufschlagsmarge", or else "Abchlagsspanne" or "Abschlagsmarge" https://www.blitzrechner.de/marge-berechnen/ of which "Aufschlagsspanne" and "Abschlagsspanne" appear to be the more common. https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Aufschlagsspanne" (959) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Aufschlagsmarge" (95) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Abschlagsspanne (1920) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Abschlagsmarge (1110) Based on the answer quoted from Quora by Barbara Schmidt, and by analogy to the information on "direct cost margin" at Investopedia (vide infra), it seems to be common practice to compute the margin relative to the selling price (or revenue), rather than relative to the purchase cost. Therefore the more relevant is "Abschlagsspanne". These apparently are also excluding sales tax (MwSt.), and so they may not be suitable. https://www.blitzrechner.de/marge-berechnen/ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handelsspanne#Arten If you really get into the details, there are also all sorts of other questions, such as whether the purchase costs should be the actual purchase costs of the goods that were physically sold (as implied in the definitions above for Front Margin), or whether they should be the hypothetical purchase costs if the goods that were sold had been purchased from the supplier on the same day that they were sold to the customer (which may be called the "trade margin"). https://stats.oecd.org/glossary/detail.asp?ID=2743 Per the post in the Discussion above, translation into some other languages suggested that "Direktmarge" or "Direktspanne" could have been options, but there is very little support for those terms from online searching. https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Direktmarge (13) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Direktspanne (0) It is of note that the "front margin" seems to be similar to the "direct cost margin", with the "direct cost margin" (= "gross margin") expressed relative to the selling price (or the revenue). https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/062215/how-direct-c... https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/grossmargin.asp BACK MARGIN: Following Barbara Schmidt's input, "Rabattprozent" could be an option. In the same vein, one can also find "Rabattspanne" and "Rabattmarge" https://browse.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Rabattspanne.html https://browse.dict.cc/deutsch-spanisch/Rabattmarge.html Of these three, "Rabattspanne" appears to be most common. https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Rabattprozent" (725) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Rabattspanne" (2770) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Rabattmarge" (43) Another idea was "Rückvergütungsmarge" https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/sind-auch-haendler-aus-dem-n... Although this sounded good to me, it is apparently very uncommon https://www.bing.com/search?q=+"Rückvergütungsmarge&quo... (1) If the "Back Margin" is calculated relative to the purchase cost, then it would be (in a sense) incompatible with a "Front Margin" calculated relative to the selling price. Conversely, if the "Back Margin" is calculated relative to the selling price, then it would be totally different to the offer quoted by the supplier! -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 4 days (2019-07-24 13:38:15 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- BACK MARGIN Two more options for "Back Margin" are "Rückzahlungsspanne" and "Rückzahlungsmarge", to emphasise that the rebates/refunds are received subsequent to the purchase from the supplier. https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Rückzahlungsspanne (12) https://www.bing.com/search?q=+Rückzahlungsmarge (4) |
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Reference: Skonto ist kein Rabatt Reference information: ~~~~ Ein Skonto, der für eine vorfristige Zahlung eingeräumt wird, ist etwas anderes als ein Rabatt, sagt das Landgericht Aschaffenburg [...]. [...]. [...]. Diese hatte dagegen geklagt, dass AEP zusätzlich zum Rabatt von 3 Prozent noch 2,5 Prozent Skonto gibt. Das sei mehr als der nach Arzneimittelpreisverordnung (AMPreisV) zulässige Höchstrabatt, der auf die Höhe der prozentualen Großhandelsmarge von 3,15 Prozent beschränkt sei. Doch Skonti und Rabatte sind für Richterin Ursula Schäfer zweifelsfrei unterschiedliche Sachverhalte: „Diese Begriffe mögen sprachlich synonym sein, jedoch kaufmännisch und buchhalterisch gesehen, sind sie es nicht“. ~~~~~ https://www.deutsche-apotheker-zeitung.de/daz-az/2015/az-45-... See the link for more details. One important point is that even though the terms might seem like synonyms to the lay person, in specialised contexts — such as pharmaceutical commerce (which is apparently the Asker's context) — the terms may describe totally separate features. A minor point is to take note of the 'irregular' plural form used. |
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