ninefold rampart

Italian translation: con mura a nove baluardi

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English term or phrase:ninefold rampart
Italian translation:con mura a nove baluardi
Entered by: Andrea Alvisi (X)

20:21 Jan 30, 2012
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English term or phrase: ninefold rampart
Their capital entered European history and legend as The Ring (of Avatars), a ninefold rampart of clay and stone topped by hedges and pallisades without gates.
kia4
Italy
Local time: 04:10
con mura a nove baluardi
Explanation:
Un po' come la città fortificata di Palmanova.

"Nove sono i baluardi che fanno parte della cerchia di mura che contengono la città e sono delimitati dal fossato"

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Note added at 12 mins (2012-01-30 20:34:09 GMT)
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Tra l'altro il testo originale credo possa essere questo: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tgRhYsvw-6YC&pg=PA19&lpg=...

e qua si fa riferimento alla popolazione degli Avari (con l'accento sulla 'a') e non agli Avatar :)

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Ecco una foto di un baluardo, per intenderci meglio:

http://www.comune.lucca.it/flex/images/Gallery/D.e494820e378...

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-01-30 21:23:21 GMT)
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A quanto pare 'bastione' e 'baluardo' sono sinonimi. Oddio, sempre che ci fidiamo di Wikipedia

La sua etimologia è fatta risalire[1] al germanico bol, bohl (=trave, tavolone) + werk, wert (=costruzione).
Il termine sinonimo bastione, deriva invece da una etimologia neolatina, essendo un accrescitivo di Bastìa o Bastita (confronta con Provenzale Bastida, francese Bastie da cui poi il celebre Bastille); entrambi i termini sono quindi partiti dal significato di fortificazione di tipo campale, provvisorio per giungere ad indicare strutture permanenti in terra o muratura spesso imponenti per sviluppo e complessità.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluardo

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Note added at 6 days (2012-02-06 12:22:19 GMT) Post-grading
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Grazie Kia!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +9con mura a nove baluardi
Andrea Alvisi (X)
4nove cinte di mura
Françoise Vogel
4nove anelli, cinte, di fortificazione
Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche


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nove cinte di mura


Explanation:

Nine concentric circles of palisaded walls [...] surrounded the country of the Avars, the outer one enclosing the entire realm of Hungary, the inner ones growing successively smaller, the innermost being the central fortification within which dwelt the Chagan, with his palace and his treasures. These walls were made of double rows of palisades of oak, beech, and pine logs, twenty feet high and twenty feet asunder, the interval between them being filled with stone and lime. Thus was formed a great wall, which at a distance must have presented a singular appearance, since the top was covered with soil and planted with bushes and trees.
The outermost wall surrounded the whole country. Within it, at a distance of twenty Teutonic, or forty Italian, miles, was a second, of smaller diameter, but constructed in the same manner. At an equal distance inward was a third, and thus they continued inward, fortress after fortress, to the number of nine, the outer one rivalling the Chinese wall in extent, the inner one—the ring, as it was called—being of small diameter, and enclosing a central space within which the Avars guarded the accumulated wealth of centuries of conquest and plunder.
http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=morris&book=fre...

Françoise Vogel
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nove anelli, cinte, di fortificazione


Explanation:
These works are particularly described by Notgerus Balbus, commonly called the Monk of St. Gall in a passage of most difficult construction. He states, that the land of the Huns was surrounded by nine circles; and that when, imagining the circles to be common hedges, he asked Aldabert, who had served under Charlemagne, what was the wonder, he learned from him that one circle was as wide, or comprehended in itself as much, as the distance from Constance to a place called Castrum Turonicum, of which the site in all probability cannot now be ascertained
He goes on to state, that each circle was so constructed with stems of oak, beech, and fir, that it was twenty feet wide and twenty high; that the whole cavity was filled with hard stones, or tenacious chalk, perhaps meaning mortar.


    Reference: http://www.third-millennium-library.com/readinghall/Galleryo...
Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche
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con mura a nove baluardi


Explanation:
Un po' come la città fortificata di Palmanova.

"Nove sono i baluardi che fanno parte della cerchia di mura che contengono la città e sono delimitati dal fossato"

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Note added at 12 mins (2012-01-30 20:34:09 GMT)
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Tra l'altro il testo originale credo possa essere questo: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tgRhYsvw-6YC&pg=PA19&lpg=...

e qua si fa riferimento alla popolazione degli Avari (con l'accento sulla 'a') e non agli Avatar :)

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Note added at 15 mins (2012-01-30 20:36:24 GMT)
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Ecco una foto di un baluardo, per intenderci meglio:

http://www.comune.lucca.it/flex/images/Gallery/D.e494820e378...

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-01-30 21:23:21 GMT)
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A quanto pare 'bastione' e 'baluardo' sono sinonimi. Oddio, sempre che ci fidiamo di Wikipedia

La sua etimologia è fatta risalire[1] al germanico bol, bohl (=trave, tavolone) + werk, wert (=costruzione).
Il termine sinonimo bastione, deriva invece da una etimologia neolatina, essendo un accrescitivo di Bastìa o Bastita (confronta con Provenzale Bastida, francese Bastie da cui poi il celebre Bastille); entrambi i termini sono quindi partiti dal significato di fortificazione di tipo campale, provvisorio per giungere ad indicare strutture permanenti in terra o muratura spesso imponenti per sviluppo e complessità.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluardo

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Grazie Kia!


    Reference: http://www.palmanova.it/approfondimenti.htm
Andrea Alvisi (X)
Belgium
Local time: 04:10
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Laura Radaelli: Sì, o anche bastioni // :-)
30 mins
  -> Basta non chiamarli 'bestioni' poi siamo a posto secondo me :) Grazie!

agree  Danila Moro: anch'io pensavo a bastioni...
48 mins
  -> Grazie Danila!

agree  Glinda
1 hr
  -> Grazie Glinda!

agree  zerlina: baluardo è più speciale:-))
5 hrs
  -> Aaaaah beh, se la mettiamo in questi termini :P Grazie!

agree  Sara Negro
17 hrs
  -> Grazie Sara!

agree  tradu-grace
18 hrs
  -> Grazie mille!

agree  Fabrizio Zambuto: poi uno finisce che si confonde tra bastioni e baluardi e viene fuori bastardi:))
1 day 10 mins
  -> Haha lasciamo stare va'! Grazie dell'agree :)

agree  Susy Sinigag (X)
1 day 9 hrs
  -> Grazie Susy!

agree  enrico paoletti
1 day 11 hrs
  -> Grazie Enrico!
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