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the correct name of the Venetian letter Ł/ł

Italian translation: L-tagliata

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English term or phrase:L with stroke
Italian translation:L-tagliata
Entered by: Chiara Righele

13:03 Mar 28, 2008
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English term or phrase: the correct name of the Venetian letter Ł/ł
Hi,

As in "Canałasso". Incidentally, how do you pronounce it, please?

Best,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:44
L with stroke
Explanation:
In Italian it is called "L-tagliata"

In the Venetian language ł is used in substitution for l in many words in which the pronunciation of l has become different for several varieties of the language, such as becoming mute or becoming the sound of English a and the Venetian e. For example: "la gondoła " can be pronunced as (in Venetian) "la gondola", or "la gòndoa", or "la gòndoea".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ł

In some varieties the intervocalic L turns into a soft "evanescent" L (this alternation is often represented with one spelling ł). The pronunciation of this phoneme varies from an almost e in the region of Venice, to a partially vocalised l further inland, to void in some mountainous areas. Thus, for example, góndoła may sound like góndoea, góndola or góndoa. In the latter variants, the "ł" spelling prevents possible confusion between pairs like scóła/skóła ("school") and scóa/skóła ("broom"). Standard Italian had this type of L in more limited conditions, but changed the spelling to i (bianco, chiamare from earlier blancus, clamare).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language (under Sound system) the explanation is ok to my Venetian ears

also read the Italian versions of the same web-pages (if you understand Italian)

As described above, pronounciation depends on the different areas in Veneto. In my area (province of Vicenza), for instance, "Canałasso" would be pronounced more or less as "Canaeasso", with "ea" not being really "fully pronounced", especially the "e" tends to "evanesce" (man, it's difficult to explain!). Living near the mountains, I agree that we usually tend to leave the ł apart or sometimes to pronounce it as partially vocalised (i.e. as in "Canałasso", as it would be difficult to pronounce the two "A"s one after another with nothing inbetween)

Hope that helps
Chiara
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Chiara Righele
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Local time: 20:44
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the correct name of the venetian letter Ł/ł
L with stroke


Explanation:
In Italian it is called "L-tagliata"

In the Venetian language ł is used in substitution for l in many words in which the pronunciation of l has become different for several varieties of the language, such as becoming mute or becoming the sound of English a and the Venetian e. For example: "la gondoła " can be pronunced as (in Venetian) "la gondola", or "la gòndoa", or "la gòndoea".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ł

In some varieties the intervocalic L turns into a soft "evanescent" L (this alternation is often represented with one spelling ł). The pronunciation of this phoneme varies from an almost e in the region of Venice, to a partially vocalised l further inland, to void in some mountainous areas. Thus, for example, góndoła may sound like góndoea, góndola or góndoa. In the latter variants, the "ł" spelling prevents possible confusion between pairs like scóła/skóła ("school") and scóa/skóła ("broom"). Standard Italian had this type of L in more limited conditions, but changed the spelling to i (bianco, chiamare from earlier blancus, clamare).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language (under Sound system) the explanation is ok to my Venetian ears

also read the Italian versions of the same web-pages (if you understand Italian)

As described above, pronounciation depends on the different areas in Veneto. In my area (province of Vicenza), for instance, "Canałasso" would be pronounced more or less as "Canaeasso", with "ea" not being really "fully pronounced", especially the "e" tends to "evanesce" (man, it's difficult to explain!). Living near the mountains, I agree that we usually tend to leave the ł apart or sometimes to pronounce it as partially vocalised (i.e. as in "Canałasso", as it would be difficult to pronounce the two "A"s one after another with nothing inbetween)

Hope that helps
Chiara

Chiara Righele
Italy
Local time: 20:44
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4
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many thanks excellent

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