the netherlands, low countries

Latin translation: Batavi, Germania Inferior

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English term or phrase:the netherlands, the low countries
Latin translation:Batavi, Germania Inferior
Entered by: Chris Hopley

08:33 Jul 23, 2003
English to Latin translations [Non-PRO]
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English term or phrase: the netherlands, low countries
I'm looking for the Latin name for the Netherlands. Also, the Latin for the Low Countries if this is different.
Chris Hopley
Netherlands
Local time: 13:22
Batavi
Explanation:
That is, the Germanic tribe of the Batavi, who dwelt in the area of modern Holland between the Old Rhine and the Waal. They were descended from the Chatti, who had been hostile to the Romans, but they played a major role as auxiliary troops for the Romans under Drusus in 16 CE, and continued in alliance with Rome for a long time, but finally revolted under Civilis in 69-70 CE, when Rome was preoccupied with civil wars. It is possible, but not certain, that they were related to the Franks, who much later occupied their territory.

'Batavia' as the name of this area does not occur in classical Latin; the name of their nation is ordinarily designated by the plural of the substantive 'Batavus', which means simply 'a/the Batavian', as 'Batavi' means simply '(the) Batavians'. But 'Batavia' is frequent in Latin writings of the Renaissance and later, and is standard in ecclesiastical usage. The plural is often used in this concrete sense instead of an abstract personification for the name of a nation by the Roman historians, from Caesar onwards, who would have translated "I will be travelling to the Netherlands" as "Iter faciam apud Batavos" or "ad Batavos" or "in Batavos", depending upon the speaker's point of view or intent.



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The portion of Germany and the Low Countries which had come under Roman control during the 1st century CE was designated \'Germania\' by their historians and encyclopaedists(e.g., Tacitus and Pliny Sr.) until 90 CE, when the Emperor Domitian divided these lands into \'Germania\' Inferior\' and \'Germania Superior\', \'Lower\' and \'Upper Germany\' respectively. These regions today comprise the Netherlands and adjacent portions of Belgium, France, and Germany.
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Joseph Brazauskas
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Local time: 07:22
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Thanks to all three of you: very interesting reading, guys!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1Hollandia / Batavia
Flavio Ferri-Benedetti
5 +1Batavi
Joseph Brazauskas
4 +1Germania Inferior
Serge L


  

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Hollandia / Batavia


Explanation:
Dear Chris,

the two official names if we consider the Vatican lists are "Hollandia" and "Batavia".

This country has a diocesis which is quite important, Utrecht. Utrecht's latin name is "Ultrajectum". Someone from "Ultrajectum" is described as "Ultrajectensis".

Hope this helps!

Flavio Ferri Benedetti
Eng>Lat moderator


    My printed sources
Flavio Ferri-Benedetti
Switzerland
Local time: 13:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian, Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Joseph Brazauskas: However, these two designations are found only in Mediaeval and ecclesiastical texts, where their usage is standard, although Flavio would know more about that particular period of Latinity than myself.
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Germania Inferior


Explanation:
vind je, afhankelijk van de periode, ook wel eens als benaming voor de Nederlanden (de 17 Provinciën):

"Descriptio Germaniae Inferioris.
Schaal [ca. 1:1.100.000].
[Antwerpen : Van Diest, 1570].
1 kaart : kopergravure, handgekleurd ; 37 x 48,5 cm, met kader 38 x 50,5 cm.
Verso: Latijnse tekst, signatuur 32.
Uit: Theatrum Orbis Terrarum 1592."
(met kaart)

Succes,

Serge L.

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ter aanvulling: \"De kaart van Germania is meer dan slechts een kaart van Duitsland. In feite wordt een belangrijk deel van Midden-Europa erdoor gedekt, zoals dat ook al bij Ptolemaeus het geval was. In deze zin vallen ook de Nederlanden (Germania Inferior, Neder-Duitsland) eronder.\"

zie http://cf.uba.uva.nl/nl/collecties/kaarten/ortelius/cat29.ht...

\"In 1617 publiceerde hij de Germania Inferior, een atlas der Zeventien Provinciën met tekst door Petrus Montanus (ca 1560-1625), die eveneens een schoonbroer van Hondius was; het werk is opgedragen aan de Staten-Generaal der Verenigde Provinciën, en al zijn kaarten hebben een grafische schaal en in de rand aanduiding van breedte en lengte. \"

zie http://www.kbr.be/america/nl/nl10.html

\"Germania Inferior, Sive XVII Provinciarum Geographicae Generales ut et Particulares Tabulae

1684 \"

zie http://www.oldworldauctions.com/prices/detail/93-007.htm

En zo kunnen we nog even doorgaan ;o)

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Note added at 2003-07-23 09:11:53 (GMT)
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Oeps, ik had niet gezien dat het Eng. > Lat. was...


    Reference: http://cf.uba.uva.nl/nl/collecties/kaarten/ortelius/cat30.ht...
    Reference: http://cf.uba.uva.nl/nl/collecties/kaarten/ortelius/gfx/groo...
Serge L
Local time: 13:22

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agree  Joseph Brazauskas: tecum consentio, sed vide, si tibi placet quae infra scripsi.
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Batavi


Explanation:
That is, the Germanic tribe of the Batavi, who dwelt in the area of modern Holland between the Old Rhine and the Waal. They were descended from the Chatti, who had been hostile to the Romans, but they played a major role as auxiliary troops for the Romans under Drusus in 16 CE, and continued in alliance with Rome for a long time, but finally revolted under Civilis in 69-70 CE, when Rome was preoccupied with civil wars. It is possible, but not certain, that they were related to the Franks, who much later occupied their territory.

'Batavia' as the name of this area does not occur in classical Latin; the name of their nation is ordinarily designated by the plural of the substantive 'Batavus', which means simply 'a/the Batavian', as 'Batavi' means simply '(the) Batavians'. But 'Batavia' is frequent in Latin writings of the Renaissance and later, and is standard in ecclesiastical usage. The plural is often used in this concrete sense instead of an abstract personification for the name of a nation by the Roman historians, from Caesar onwards, who would have translated "I will be travelling to the Netherlands" as "Iter faciam apud Batavos" or "ad Batavos" or "in Batavos", depending upon the speaker's point of view or intent.



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Note added at 2003-07-23 23:12:22 (GMT)
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The portion of Germany and the Low Countries which had come under Roman control during the 1st century CE was designated \'Germania\' by their historians and encyclopaedists(e.g., Tacitus and Pliny Sr.) until 90 CE, when the Emperor Domitian divided these lands into \'Germania\' Inferior\' and \'Germania Superior\', \'Lower\' and \'Upper Germany\' respectively. These regions today comprise the Netherlands and adjacent portions of Belgium, France, and Germany.

Joseph Brazauskas
United States
Local time: 07:22
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
Grading comment
Thanks to all three of you: very interesting reading, guys!

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agree  Flavio Ferri-Benedetti
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