swimming bird vs waterfowl

English translation: not interchangeable

20:09 Jan 7, 2010
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Science - Biology (-tech,-chem,micro-) / Ornithology
English term or phrase: swimming bird vs waterfowl
Can these two be used interchangeably in scientific contexts?
Can 'swimming bird' be regarded as a scientific term?

Thank you in advance!
DTSM
Local time: 23:56
Selected answer:not interchangeable
Explanation:
There is more than one way to classify bird groups taxnomically.

One school of thought is the Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley-Ahlquist_taxonomy_of_bir...

They use 'waterfowl' as a taxonomic group:

"The classification appears to be cladistic because it codifies many intermediate levels of taxa: the "trunk" of the family tree is the class Aves, which branches into subclasses, which branch into infraclasses, and then "parvclasses", superorders, orders, suborders, infraorders, "parvorders", superfamilies, families, subfamilies, tribes, subtribes and finally genera and species. In fact, the Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy is merely a highly structured result of phenetic studies; no cladistic methods were used in producing it. Though the strong subdivision into taxonomic ranks suggests accuracy, the "parv"-ranks are simply considered[who?] unnecessary as of 15 years later for example.
The resulting arrangement differs greatly from the more traditional approach used in the Clements taxonomy. More recently published phylogenetic reconstructions[which?] based on cladistic and maximum likelihood analyses of DNA sequences lend credence to some of the DNA-DNA hybridization-based taxonomy, e.g. the recognition of palaeognathous birds as monophyletic and sister to all others, and the recognition that fowl and waterfowl (Galloanserae, initially named "Galloanseri"[citation needed]) are one anothers' closest relatives and sister to the remainder of all birds, Neoaves."


In rival taxonomies, 'waterfowl' is not used.

Here a links with different taxonomy methodology that provides an overview of bird families that are associated with water:

http://www.answers.com/topic/charadriiformes-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charadriiformes

I would use "swimming" bird only as a clarification, and not to indicate a specific group.


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Note added at 52 mins (2010-01-07 21:01:43 GMT)
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So swimming bird is certainly not a scientific term, to answer your question.
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Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Local time: 22:56
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Thank you, Max!
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
3 +5not interchangeable
Max Nuijens
4two terms not interchangeable, and not the same
Miriam300
Summary of reference entries provided
Waterfowl definition
Filippe Vasconcellos de Freitas Guimarães

Discussion entries: 19





  

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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
two terms not interchangeable, and not the same


Explanation:
Def. swimming bird- (vertebrate zoology) Any bird belonging to the orders Charadriiformes and Pelacaniformes.
http://www.answers.com/topic/swimming-bird
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/swimming bird

NOT the same as waterfowl and therefore not interchangeable -
Any member of the family Anatidae, web-footed birds with a broad bill containing fine plates, or lamellae; usually stocky and often long-necked, including ducks, geese (see goose), and swans. Waterfowl feed by dabbling, diving, or grazing.
http://www.answers.com/topic/waterfowl


Miriam300
Local time: 21:56
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PolishPolish
Notes to answerer
Asker: OK. Sheila has already answered this question. Can 'swimming bird' be regarded as a scientific term?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sheila Wilson: Your refs for swimming bird are in fact one ref that's not wholly authoritative
22 mins
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50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +5
not interchangeable


Explanation:
There is more than one way to classify bird groups taxnomically.

One school of thought is the Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley-Ahlquist_taxonomy_of_bir...

They use 'waterfowl' as a taxonomic group:

"The classification appears to be cladistic because it codifies many intermediate levels of taxa: the "trunk" of the family tree is the class Aves, which branches into subclasses, which branch into infraclasses, and then "parvclasses", superorders, orders, suborders, infraorders, "parvorders", superfamilies, families, subfamilies, tribes, subtribes and finally genera and species. In fact, the Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy is merely a highly structured result of phenetic studies; no cladistic methods were used in producing it. Though the strong subdivision into taxonomic ranks suggests accuracy, the "parv"-ranks are simply considered[who?] unnecessary as of 15 years later for example.
The resulting arrangement differs greatly from the more traditional approach used in the Clements taxonomy. More recently published phylogenetic reconstructions[which?] based on cladistic and maximum likelihood analyses of DNA sequences lend credence to some of the DNA-DNA hybridization-based taxonomy, e.g. the recognition of palaeognathous birds as monophyletic and sister to all others, and the recognition that fowl and waterfowl (Galloanserae, initially named "Galloanseri"[citation needed]) are one anothers' closest relatives and sister to the remainder of all birds, Neoaves."


In rival taxonomies, 'waterfowl' is not used.

Here a links with different taxonomy methodology that provides an overview of bird families that are associated with water:

http://www.answers.com/topic/charadriiformes-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charadriiformes

I would use "swimming" bird only as a clarification, and not to indicate a specific group.


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Note added at 52 mins (2010-01-07 21:01:43 GMT)
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So swimming bird is certainly not a scientific term, to answer your question.


Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Local time: 22:56
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 8
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Thank you, Max!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Demi Ebrite
1 hr
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agree  B D Finch
1 hr
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agree  Alexandra Taggart: aquatic birds are also: the herons, king-fishes and many other, not necessarily web-footed.
2 hrs
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agree  kmtext
15 hrs
  -> thanks

agree  Rolf Keiser
20 hrs
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Reference comments


39 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Waterfowl definition

Reference information:
Waterfowl are certain wildfowl of the order Anseriformes, especially members of the family Anatidae, which includes ducks, geese, and swans.
They are strong swimmers with medium to large bodies. They have historically been an important food source, and continue to be hunted as game, or raised as poultry for meat and eggs. The domestic duck is sometimes kept as a pet.
Some definitions of the term 'waterfowl' include the saltwater shorebirds or waders, gulls, pelicans, and herons, as well as seabirds such as the albatross, but 'fowl' especially refers to birds used by humans for game, according to the Concise Oxford Dictionary.


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfowl
Filippe Vasconcellos de Freitas Guimarães
Brazil
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you! I've read that before.


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Alison Sabedoria (X): This is clear, and as I understand it
11 hrs
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