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English language (monolingual) [PRO] Tech/Engineering - Food & Drink
English term or phrase:soybean milk yoghurt
"[a patent] describes a method of preparing a soybean milk yoghurt by mixing soybean milk with milk whey solids and sucrose and by fermenting the resulting blend following sterilisation and addition of a stabiliser."
Is there a difference between "soybean milk yoghurt" and "soy yoghurt"?
Explanation: No difference in US that I am aware of
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For those who don't believe that yogurt required milk derivatives, here is the official definition of yogurt thus any other product calling itself yogurt is only a yogurt style product but not a true yogurt: Main Entry: yo·gurt Variant(s): also yo·ghurt /'yO-g&rt/ Function: noun Etymology: Turkish yogurt : a fermented slightly acid often flavored semisolid food made of whole or skimmed cow's milk and milk solids to which cultures of two bacteria (Lactobacillus bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophilus) have been added.
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DEF. From Eurodicautom: Document 1 Subject Agriculture - Food Industry - Livestock Industry - Fisheries - Bio-industry (AG)
Definition more or less liquid,resulting from the coagulation of milk
Reference Customs Tariff Notex CEE 04.01 (1) TERM yoghurt
Reference A. Kardoulis, Trilingual Dictionary of Food and Drink (Greek-English-French) 1989 (2) TERM yogurt
Reference A. Kardoulis, Trilingual Dictionary of Food and Drink (Greek-English-French) 1989 (3) TERM yoghourt
Reference A. Kardoulis, Trilingual Dictionary of Food and Drink (Greek-English-French)1989;Customs Tariff Notex CEE 04.01
Definition produit laitier constitué de lait fermenté obtenu par le développement de Lactobacillus bulgaricus et Streptococcus thermophilus vivants
Reference INRA,Service linguistique,Jouy-en-Josas,1999 (1) TERM yoghourt
Reference Kardoulis,A.,Dictionnaire trilingue des aliments et des boissons(grec,anglais,français),1989;Tarif douanier,Notex CEE,04.01
Note {DOM} économie d'alimentation:aliments {NTE} vendu en général sous forme de pots individuels d'une contenance de 12cl (2) TERM yogurt
Reference Kardoulis,A.,Dictionnaire trilingue des aliments et des boissons(grec,anglais,français),1989
Note {DOM} économie d'alimentation:aliments {NTE} vendu en général sous forme de pots individuels d'une contenance de 12cl (3) TERM yaourt
Reference Kardoulis,A.,Dictionnaire trilingue des aliments et des boissons(grec,anglais,français),1989;Tarif douanier,Notex CEE,04.01
Note {DOM} économie d'alimentation:aliments {NTE} vendu en général sous forme de pots individuels d'une contenance de 12cl
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I looked for soybean milk and soy milk in Eurodicautom and they are the same thing--there is no difference between soybean milk and soy milk:
Subject Agriculture - Food Industry - Livestock Industry - Fisheries - Bio-industry (AG) 1) TERM soybean milk Reference Haensch/Haberkamp, Dict. Agriculture
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Soy milk also called Soya Milk in Eng.
Subject Agriculture - Food Industry - Livestock Industry - Fisheries - Bio-industry (AG)
(1) TERM soy(a) milk
Reference Reallex Med
(1) TERM lait de soja
Reference Reallex Med
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NOTE: There is a new class of yogurt (non-dairy) called a "Yofu" by major industry players such as Pravomel and Alpro. I saw this as I surfed their websites. For example, Alpro has:
Yofu Peach Evaluation of soya products. Yofu Peach ... Soy cream . Yofu Peach. from: Alpro ... . Exotic Yofu (Alpro) ...www.soya.be/market.php?product=5 - 10k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block Yofu Vanilla Evaluation of soya products. Yofu Vanilla ... Soy cream . Yofu Vanilla. from: Provamel ... . Exotic Yofu (Alpro) ...www.soya.be/market.php?product=1001 - 10k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block SportingNews.com Fantasy Source - Baseball : Yofu throws no-hitter as Charlotte
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Note: A purist could argue that a "Yofu" is not a true yogurt in the traditional sense. For a traditional definition refer to Eurodicautom (what European Community members use) and other major dictionaries such as Cambridge adn Webster's.
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COPY from Provamel website under Soya: Yoghurt lovers are in for a treat! Provamel Yofu, a non dairy yoghurt, is light, creamy, easily digested and deliciously fruity: the ideal alternative to dairy yoghurt. All varieties are organic and contain the same live cultures as their dairy equivalents and must be kept refrigerated.
For those who prefer a pure and authentic flavour, there is Provamel soya Yofu Natural, without fruit. Provamel Yofu is available in chiller cabinets of health food stores.
Provamel Yofu is available in different fruity flavours: set of 4 x 125g packs: organic Red Cherry and organic Peach-Mango 500g pots: organic Peach, organic Strawberry, organic Forest Fruits and Bio Vanilla
Provamel Bio Yofu Natural 4 x 125g & 500g Provamel Bio Yofu Red Cherry 4 x 125g Provamel Bio Yofu Peach-mango 4 x 125g Provamel Bio Yofu Red Fruits 500g Provamel Bio Yofu Peach 500g Provamel Bio Yofu Strawberry 500g Provamel Bio Yofu Vanilla 500g
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SER PORTUGUÊS (TER QUE): Valores de Mercado 004/03 - Translate this page ... Iogurte Aroma Alperce Yoplait emb ... Yofu Frutos Silvestres Alpro emb. 4 x 125 gr. Iogurte Cereais Bio Danone emb. 4 x 125 gr. Iogurte Cremoso Aroma Baunilha Yoplait ...serportuguesterque.blogspot.com/2003/09/valores-de-mercado-00403.html - 37k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block Allo Supermarché - Translate this page ... ALPRO yaourt yofu fraise. 4 x 125 gr ... 3.10 €. YOPLAIT yaourt aux fruits entier ...www.allosupermarche.be/new/fr/index.php?rayon=3&sousrayon=1... - 69k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block Allo Supermarché ... ALPRO yoghurt yofu aardbeien. 4 x 125 gr ... YOPLAIT volle yoghurt met gemengd fruit ...www.allosupermarche.be/new/nl/index.php?rayon=3&sousrayon=1... - 69k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block Low Carb Friends - UK/Europe week of 14 March 2005 This is a low carb dieting discussion forum ... Lorraine - yes, yofu is yogurt from tofu. I would think buttermilk would be okay. I know Yoplait do it now ... I've had yofu before but have never considered draining it ...www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=327722 - 162k - Cached - More from this site - Save - Block http://archive.food.gov.uk/fsainfsheet/2000/no10/10tab1.xls (MICROSOFT EXCEL)
I guess the question is whethere there exists a product that is not "real" soy yoghurt but has some kind of "family resemblance" with the real stuff. Logically, it is impossible to prove that no such product exists, and even then it boils down to the semantic question whether such a product is "real" soy yoghurt. So personally, I don't see any difference between the two. However, the text is not about the consumers' perceptions but about the manufacturing process, so it feels natural to speak of "beans" etc. even if they seem superfluous when the product hits the shelves. Due to the very fact that the two terms are synomous, they are interchangeable, and it is because of this that I would opt for the literal, technical translation. Paradoxically, that should avoid the kind of controversy that we have seen here. A heartfelt thank-you to everybody. 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
Yoplait et al are joining the bandwagon.This is a low carb dieting discussion forum ... Lorraine - yes, yofu is yogurt from tofu. I would think buttermilk would be okay. I know Yoplait do it now ... I've had yofu before but have never considered draining
There is a new class of yogurt (non-dairy) called a "Yofu" by major industry players such as Pravomel and Alpro. I saw this as I surfed their websites & pasted some copy below (doesn't fit here).
07:26 Sep 13, 2005
Dr Sue Levy (X)
And Yofu is the marketing name Provamel gives to its soy yogurt :-)
07:25 Sep 13, 2005
Dr Sue Levy (X)
To Carmen. The Eurodic definitions date from 1989. Things have changed. Anyway, such definitions are not exclusive.
For whatever it's worth:I looked for soybean milk and soy milk in Eurodicautom and they are the same thing--there is no difference between soybean milk and soy milk.
After reading new data as Rita's, perhaps the thing to bear in mind is: "what country is it for & how does that country label the products officially(e.g.,if USA, look to the FDA for what is actually a "yogurt" in USA)
On the other hand, the words "soybean" and "milk" in the "soybean milk yogurt" may be meant to emphasize that the product is really from soybeans despite its milky/yogurty appearance, whereas "soy yogurt" might in principle refer to any product having to do with soy and yogurt (in the same way as apples have to do with apple yogurt). But I guess the context should make it clear that we are really dealing with soybean milk yogurt here, as if there were any room for misunderstanding if the whole monstrosity were not spelled out.
I see, I think you can say it since you have description of components that you need to list ... describes a method of preparing a soy yoghurt by mixing soybean milk with milk whey solids ....
22:40 Sep 12, 2005
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22:28 Sep 12, 2005
You tell me. I only know that "sucrose" and "milk whey solids" have been mentioned below as clues. But unless soy yogurt can be made from something else than soy beans and (some kind of) milk, I would be willing to leave them out in the translation, because taking them aboard makes the translation truly hideous.
Soy yoghurt is fine for commercial labeling but not for research article. Soymilk can be made from soy flour or soybeans but not from whole soy plant. What is the source of whey proteins - soy milk serum or ?
22:11 Sep 12, 2005
sarahl (X)
Jonathan, soy milk should really be called soy juice, it is called milk because of its appearance. Besides, the bacterium was never produced by milk! Milk + bacteria= yogurt. The bacteria digest the milk for those of us who cannot do it on their own :-)
soy milk does not contain cow's milk (at least I have not seen it sold in a blended state);on the other hand, soy milk yogurt is made with active milk cultures(lactobacillus,etc.) made by fermenting cow's milk)the cultures are added to soy milk
21:36 Sep 12, 2005
Non-ProZ.com
21:35 Sep 12, 2005
But if there is no milk in soymilk, I don't know if I have to say soybean milk yogurt just to indicate that there is milk in it.
Could you say "Yogurt with soymilk and active (milk) cultures" or something to that effect
21:32 Sep 12, 2005
Non-ProZ.com
21:30 Sep 12, 2005
But then again, is there any milk in soy milk?
Non-ProZ.com
21:28 Sep 12, 2005
I wanted to know if I could leave the "bean" and the "milk" out of the soybean milk yoghurt when translating this. Maybe the product names leave the "milk" out of "soy yoghurt" to make it sound milkless. What do you think? In a more exact text like this, it may be a bad idea to cut corners and leave the "milk" out.
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
Carmen, you just said "A product labeled as soy yogurt is not 100% soy!" and there you go, neither is soybean milk youghurt, and they're basically the same. So, yes, I'm back to "agree". Carmen, you're right :o)
Tygru the question as asked the way I understand it is there is any difference between soy mil yogurt and soy yogurt and according to my research there is not-even if it's made with 99.9 soy milk it needs milk derivatives for the active cultures.
Yogurt:(true recipe as devoped in Turkey) a fermented slightly acid often flavored semisolid food made of whole or skimmed cow's milk and milk solids to which cultures of two bacteria (Lactobacillus bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophilus) have been add
Any product calling itself yogurt is only a yogurt style product but not a yogurt unless it contains lactobacillus and other bacteria derived from fermented milk-see the official def. of yogurt in Webster's online.
21:17 Sep 12, 2005
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
kEy
21:15 Sep 12, 2005
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
@Carmen: there might be milk by-products, but the kay question (usually) is: do they contain lactose? if not, most people allergic to cow milk (in fact: lactose) will be fine.
This answer doesn't make sense.Yogurt by it's very nature is made with a milk by-product or additive, especially the cultures such as lactobacillus, which need to be made from milk derivatives. A product labeled as soy yogurt is not 100% soy!
21:08 Sep 12, 2005
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
thing is, I'm wondering why they'd add sucrose, if they already had lactose in the whey....
21:04 Sep 12, 2005
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
even if they mention milk whey solids, it should be without lactose. Dear me, the net search gave me a lactose-induced headache :(
21:03 Sep 12, 2005
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
Poland
the deceiving thing is "soybean milk" is perfectly innocent as far as lactose is concerned. the manufacturers of the product in question usually leave the lactose out, at least the ones I know here, in PL. not really obvious, this one...
21:02 Sep 12, 2005
Non-ProZ.com
20:00 Sep 12, 2005
I have copied the text faithfully. The text seems to be British, if that makes any difference. By the way, the patent in question is American.
spelling: yogurt is used approx. 6 x more often than yogurt; it is called "soy milk" in the U.S., not soybean milk.
19:58 Sep 12, 2005
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I think there is
Explanation: a soybean milk yogurt as you describe it is really soy milk + cow milk, as opposed to soy alone. Big difference if you're allergic to cow milk.
sarahl (X) Local time: 14:18 Native speaker of: French
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