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Haw

English translation: howe (Hawse)

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English term or phrase:Haw
Selected answer:howe (Hawse)
Entered by: updownK

01:02 Jul 22, 2015
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Social Sciences - Geography
English term or phrase: Haw
I mean Haw out of Fox Haw or Brown Haw which are hill names in Lake District of UK.
Does it mean "hawthorn"? Perhaps the plant can be seen there.

Many thanks!
updownK
China
Local time: 06:16
unlikely to come from hawthorn
Explanation:
1) Hawthorn is a hedgerow shrub/tree that you're unlikely to find on top of a hill or mountain in the Lake District, which tend to be rather windswept.

2) 'Haw' in this context is more likely to be a deformation of "Hawse" (the summit of a pass) or of "Hafs" (an Old Norse word) or of "Howe" (a pointed and rocky formation but not a mountain summit). The last one is the most likely in my opinion, but to be sure you'd probably need to contact the Lake District tourist board or a similar organisation.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/Misc...
http://www.mountain-journeys.co.uk/lakeland-place-names.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbrian_toponymy
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Catharine Cellier-Smart
Reunion
Local time: 02:16
Grading comment
Thank you! It's very helpful. Such place-name sourced from foreign languages are most annoying thing in my work.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



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3 +3unlikely to come from hawthorn
Catharine Cellier-Smart
4Haw
David Hollywood
4view / vantage point
B D Finch


  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
haw
Haw


Explanation:
The fruit, sometimes known as a "haw", is berry-like but structurally a pome containing from 1 to 5 pyrenes that resemble the "stones" of plums, peaches, etc., ...

I don't know if you need to interpret this in your Chinese rendering but if not, just leave it as "Haw"

David Hollywood
Local time: 19:16
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you! What I asked is whether Haw in Fox Haw or Brown Haw as hillname means Hawthorn. When place-names being translated into Chinese, transliteration for most of them is OK, but for some names with specific (interesting) means, it's better to translated as interpretation.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: yes, "haw" is the red fruit of the hawthorn but I think CCS is right
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
haw
unlikely to come from hawthorn


Explanation:
1) Hawthorn is a hedgerow shrub/tree that you're unlikely to find on top of a hill or mountain in the Lake District, which tend to be rather windswept.

2) 'Haw' in this context is more likely to be a deformation of "Hawse" (the summit of a pass) or of "Hafs" (an Old Norse word) or of "Howe" (a pointed and rocky formation but not a mountain summit). The last one is the most likely in my opinion, but to be sure you'd probably need to contact the Lake District tourist board or a similar organisation.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/Misc...
http://www.mountain-journeys.co.uk/lakeland-place-names.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbrian_toponymy


Catharine Cellier-Smart
Reunion
Local time: 02:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thank you! It's very helpful. Such place-name sourced from foreign languages are most annoying thing in my work.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edith Kelly
20 mins
agree  Claire Cox
3 hrs
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
haw
view / vantage point


Explanation:
There are various meanings for "Haw" in place names, and they generally have nothing to do with hawthorns. It depends where in Britain the place is and what particular words in what languages the term derives from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_HawSharp Haw - geograph.org.uk - 120015.jpg ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view. ... Milnthorpe, Cumbria: Cicerone Press.

https://archive.org/stream/placenamesoflanc00ekwauoft/placen...
"O.E. haga " enclosure ; homestead," O.N. hagi " enclosure " : Haigh De, Haw Booth Bl,
Hawcoat Lo ; Turnagh Sa, Crookhey, Locka, Stodday, Smeer Hall SLo. "

http://www.spns.org.uk/MayWilliamsonComplete.pdf
"HAWTHORN (Cad): Hayrtherne , 1455 Rot Scac ; Har - , 1468 RMS; Hair - , 1538 ib ; Haw - , 1563 PS; Harthorne , 1571 ib . The first element is OE h ā r , meaning “boundary”. A tree was a common boundary - mark in the OE land charters. In the 16th century the name became confused with hawthorn . Compare *Har(e)thorn , 13th century and 1446 (PN Ess, 591). Two other names in - thorn may contain OE þorn rather than þyrne: Jock’s Thorn (Jhn) and Chapman Thorn (Hlw) "

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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:23:30 GMT)
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halogen.le.ac.uk/kepn/kepn_elements/al (Primitive Welsh) Meaning unknown. alauno- (British) Meaning unknown. albus ...... Cumbre (Old English) The Cymry, the Welsh, the Cumbrian Britons. cumm ...... the daffodil. haw (Old English) Look-out from OE hawian 'to gaze on, survey'.

The following refs are obviously connected to the Wikipedia one:

www.worldebooklibrary.com/articles/Sharp_HawList of Marilyns in England Cumbria, South Lakeland, North Yorkshire, Allerdale, Cross ... The word Haw comes from the Old English hawian, and means view.

www.everytrail.com/browse.php?activity_id=5&country=england... District? Photo ... Sharp Haw - Curry on a Hill. by G6WTM on Jul 20, ... The word haw comes from the old English word hawian meaning view.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:26:57 GMT)
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Photo of Fox Haw: http://www.themountainguide.co.uk/england/fox-haw-photos.htm

You won't find many hawthorns or any vegetation much higher than grass there!

B D Finch
France
Local time: 00:16
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: Yes I'm wrong. Thank you! Even a single common word is backed by so much knowledge!

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