in his fourth entry

English translation: fourth time a judgement has been entered against him (including

23:36 Aug 24, 2003

English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Law (general)

English term or phrase: in his fourth entry

Summary: Youth in his fourth entry. Did not serve previous sentences. Lives in the streets with friends ever since his mother died four years ago.

lim0nka KudoZ activity Questions: 1591 (5 open) (1 without valid answers) (13 closed without grading) Answers: 3319 United Kingdom
Local time: 11:22

Selected answer:fourth time a judgement has been entered against him (including

Explanation:
perhaps not only convictions in a criminal court, but entries on their record that are made without a conviction, as an alternative to going to court, eg:(in UK, I'm sure equivalents elsewhere:-) 'agreeing to be bound over to keep the peace' 'accepting a caution')

We are told that he didn't serve the previous sentences, for what ever reason, so entry into jail or juvenile detention doesn't seem to to fit.
The legal term 'entry' as in technical term for burglary unfortunately doesn't seem to fit either - surely that would be as in "breaking & entering" (so it would only fit if he was actually doing his fourth burglary at that moment - perhaps that was earlier in the film :-).

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Syeda\'s is a good suggestion but I think \"4th complaint\" less likely as the principle of the law is usually that one is innocent until proven guilty, so complaints generally shouldn\'t contribute to a criminal record (entry on his criminal record), only convictions or legally recorded admissions of guilt (as above), (although this might conceivably vary according to the judicial system of the country where the film is set).

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could come from \"fourth entry into the penal system\" (ie: including other forms of punishment apart from custodial sentences, for people convicted or officially accepting guilt). One possible reason he may not have served his sentences is that he may have absconded (run away or not attended) especially if the sentence was probation or something like that.

Selected response from:

DGK T-I
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:22

Grading comment

"Fourth entry into the penal system", that's it! But it was explained at the end of the film in one f the flashbacks.
Thank you all for your help.
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED

5 +3

Complaint No Four.

Syeda Tanbira Zaman

3 +4

Fourth admission to juvenile hall?

Refugio

4 +2

fourth time a judgement has been entered against him (including

DGK T-I

3 +1

4th official record about him ?

Özden Arıkan

Discussion entries: 3

Answers

8 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

Fourth admission to juvenile hall?

Explanation:
More context, please?

Refugio
Local time: 03:22
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

37 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Complaint No Four.

Explanation:
Fourth complaint registered against the youth by Police or similar authority.

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since the youth did not serve any sentence in the earlier occassions, his chance of serving terms in a juvenile home does not arise. Only obvious conclusion that can be drawn is that his delinquency is noticed and recorded by the authorities.

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The person can be brought before the court if there is any charge pressed against him or he is arrested for some alleged crime. An \"Entry\" does not necessarily mean an appearence in the court. Consider this situation.. The Police enters a complaint against the youth, brings him to the Police station for questioning and then lets him go, considering the crime too trivial or gives him another chance. It happened three times in the past.... this is guess work only. But I still hold that the \"Entry\" refers to entry in the Police Records.

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The complaint is equivalent to an FIR or First Information Report. The person complained against is an offender only in the eyes of the complainant who may be any member of the public. A complaint is first looked into by the Law Enforcing Agency. If any ground is found in the complaint, further investigation is undertaken to see whether any case can be made against the person in a court of law for violating any provsion of the law. If no sufficient ground is found the matter rests there. But the \"Entry\" in the record book remains.

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http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/articles/cbi.html.

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A complaint is not a criminal record.

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A complaint of the
commission of a cognizable offense is docketed
into what is known as a First Information Report
(FIR). An individual could be arrested by the
Police on a specific complaint or on suspicion of
having committed a cognizable offense. In all
such cases, the arrestee has to be brought before
the nearest Magistrate within 24 hours of the
arrest. Any detention in police custody beyond 24
hours is allowed only with the orders of a
Magistrate. The Magistrate has the authority
under the Criminal Procedure Code to either
release the individual on bail or lodge him in a
sub-jail for pre-trial detainees and those under
investigation. In certain cases, to facilitate
investigation, the Magistrate may permit an
arrestee to be retained in police custody for a
short period.
After completing the investigation and
obtaining legal opinion from the prosecuting
personnel, the police investigator either
establishes a charge-sheet, accompanied by
statements of witnesses, before the competent
Magistrate under the appropriate section of law,
or, in the event of insufficient evidence, files a
Final Report dropping further action. If the
defendant is charged, during the trial, it is the
responsibility of the investigating officer to
assist the Public Prosecutor in every way,
including the production of witnesses.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/wfbcjind.txt

Syeda Tanbira Zaman
Local time: 15:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Bengali,

Hindi
PRO pts in category: 4

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

4th official record about him ?

Explanation:
There's also this legal definiton for "entry" in the link below:

"The act in addition to breaking essential to constitute the offense or burglary.--Burrill."

The sentence "Did not serve previous sentences" sounds as if there were previous sentences, but he didn't serve them, for whatever reason - age? other factors? So this seems to be either his fourth attempt to burglary or *more likely* IMO, the fourth official record prepared about him.

Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entry&db=x

Özden Arıkan
Germany
Local time: 12:22
Native speaker of:

Turkish

8 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

fourth time a judgement has been entered against him (including

DGK T-I
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:22
Specializes in field
PRO pts in category: 50

Grading comment

"Fourth entry into the penal system", that's it! But it was explained at the end of the film in one f the flashbacks.
Thank you all for your help.

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