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trimming in

English translation: coves and trimming

06:38 Oct 10, 2005
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Manufacturing / Carpentry & Woodworking
English term or phrase: trimming in
The following sections from a training handout describe firmer chisels and gouges. Given that hardware refers to nails, screws, etc., what is meant by "trimming in" hardware in the last sentence?

"Firmer chisels are used primarily for mortising out pins, tails and grooves and for installing hardware.
...
Firmer Gouge:
Gouges are used for gouging out coves and trimming in hardware. ... "
Alaa Zeineldine
Egypt
Local time: 07:19
Selected answer:coves and trimming
Explanation:
Gouges are types of 'digging out' tools, like chisels or machine tools with curved blade ends - see gouge and to gouge in the English dictionary.
Coves and trimmings are types of moulding shapes in wood or other materials.

See these definitions of gouge below:
a chisel for cutting rounded holes in wood.
www.pilgrimhall.org/tools.htm

A tool with a sharp, concave edge for shaping wood, stone or metal.
www.mda.org.uk/archobj/archobjg.htm

A groove or cavity in the flooring surface accompanied by material removal and penetration below the immediate flooring surface.
www.armstrong.com/commflooringna/glossary.html

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Note added at 2 hrs 36 mins (2005-10-10 09:14:38 GMT)
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If your reading is correct, then the meaning is simply tidying off, which does not necessarily mean making something flush, but rather to remove any irregularities left by a coarse cut or machining process.
If you think this means making it flush menas making it even - then you ar correct, but bear in mind the shape may be a groove or a raised beading.

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Note added at 2 hrs 39 mins (2005-10-10 09:17:35 GMT)
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That should read - If you think making it flush means making it even or smooth - ...

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Note added at 2 hrs 48 mins (2005-10-10 09:27:27 GMT)
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I still think the phrase "Gouges are used for gouging out coves and trimming in hardware"
means "coves and trimming in hardware are made or done using a gouge"
I also wonder whether hardware should be hardwood, although special gouges can be used for stone and metal. Hardware is so often associated with ICT, perhaps it should be replaced by hard materials,
so that the phrase could be rephrased as:
"Gouges are used with hard materials for gouging out coves and performing trimming."
Selected response from:

Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 07:19
Grading comment
Thanks Dave. We don't have something definitive, but something I can go by and inform the client. Thanks also to Fuad. Fuad's answer is really not totally off. For example, maybe a gouge can be used "inside" grooves to trim around hardware, hence "trimming in". It is just unlikely that a woodworking gouge is applied to the hardware itself.
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4 +3coves and trimming
Dave Calderhead
3 -1ØãÓ
Fuad Yahya


Discussion entries: 3





  

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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
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Explanation:
The sense I am getting is that these gouges are used to make the hardware flush with the wood surface, most probably by pushing them neatly in.

Fuad Yahya
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: It's a good explanation, but normally, woodworking blades should not be used to work metal.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Dave Calderhead: Sorry, but gouges are grooves or similar and are therefore not flush by definition - see my answer
26 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
coves and trimming


Explanation:
Gouges are types of 'digging out' tools, like chisels or machine tools with curved blade ends - see gouge and to gouge in the English dictionary.
Coves and trimmings are types of moulding shapes in wood or other materials.

See these definitions of gouge below:
a chisel for cutting rounded holes in wood.
www.pilgrimhall.org/tools.htm

A tool with a sharp, concave edge for shaping wood, stone or metal.
www.mda.org.uk/archobj/archobjg.htm

A groove or cavity in the flooring surface accompanied by material removal and penetration below the immediate flooring surface.
www.armstrong.com/commflooringna/glossary.html

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Note added at 2 hrs 36 mins (2005-10-10 09:14:38 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

If your reading is correct, then the meaning is simply tidying off, which does not necessarily mean making something flush, but rather to remove any irregularities left by a coarse cut or machining process.
If you think this means making it flush menas making it even - then you ar correct, but bear in mind the shape may be a groove or a raised beading.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs 39 mins (2005-10-10 09:17:35 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

That should read - If you think making it flush means making it even or smooth - ...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs 48 mins (2005-10-10 09:27:27 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I still think the phrase "Gouges are used for gouging out coves and trimming in hardware"
means "coves and trimming in hardware are made or done using a gouge"
I also wonder whether hardware should be hardwood, although special gouges can be used for stone and metal. Hardware is so often associated with ICT, perhaps it should be replaced by hard materials,
so that the phrase could be rephrased as:
"Gouges are used with hard materials for gouging out coves and performing trimming."

Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 07:19
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 2
Grading comment
Thanks Dave. We don't have something definitive, but something I can go by and inform the client. Thanks also to Fuad. Fuad's answer is really not totally off. For example, maybe a gouge can be used "inside" grooves to trim around hardware, hence "trimming in". It is just unlikely that a woodworking gouge is applied to the hardware itself.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks. The term here is "trimming in" where "trimming" is a verbal noun, or if you like, the verb "to trim in", with "hardware" being the object.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Cristina Hritcu (X)
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Cristina (:-{)>
agree  RHELLER: tidying off makes sense because that is what trimming does in general
19 hrs
  -> Thanks, Rita (:-{)>
agree  Alfa Trans (X)
3 days 4 hrs
  -> Thanks, Marju.(:-{)>
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