خودباختگی

20:36 Jul 6, 2013 

سلام
متاسفانه من با دوستان دیگه موافق هستم و
assimilation
را معادل مناسبی نمی دونم چرا که بیشتر به معنای ادغام یا تلفیق فرهنگی می خوره
حال آنکه خودباختگی به معنای نادیده گرفتن یا دست کم گرفتن ارزش های فرهنگ خودی در برابر فرهنگ بیگانه است و نه تلفیق شدن با آن فرهنگ...

18:12 Jul 6, 2013 

What do you think about my suggestions?

11:25 Jul 6, 2013 

دوستان با توجه به تعریف خودباختگی در سایت زیر:
http://www.cloob.com/timeline/answer_266123_2209434
من فکر میکنم که
در واقع خودباختگی به معنای از خود بیگانگی هستش
self-alienation
هم می تونه معادل خوبی باشه
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/farsi_persian_to_english/religion/...
یا
self-underestimating/depricating

01:13 Jul 4, 2013 

1. In the context of colonialization, yes, it would be negative. For example, where British or French colonial administration tried to turn their colonial subjects into British or French "citizens". (This is a whole different subject.)
2. In the context where a group immigrates to a different country, for example, Turks in Germany, or Mexicans in the USA, it is considered positive to become like the host country population.

Having said this, "assimilation" is still not the correct word for خودباختگی here.

07:43 Jul 3, 2013 

"The idea of assimilation is important to colonial education. Assimilation involves those who are colonized being forced to conform to the cultures and traditions of the colonizers." (5)

I can provide more references in which authors express negative feelings towards assimilation.
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(5) http://postcolonialstudies.emory.edu/colonial-education/

07:36 Jul 3, 2013 

1. I did not mean that assimilation and domination have equal connotations. The point of similarity is that some people find assimilation and domination positive terms, while some other do not. I hope I am clear enough on this.
2. It does not only mean "the process whereby an immigrant population...". It may "refer to either immigrant diasporas or native residents that come to be culturally dominated by another society." (1)
3. I do not believe it is a positive term. Here are extracts from postcolonial literatures:
"Conversely, translational accommodation is anchored
in a fear of total assimilation, a desire to resist being translated
into the target language" (2)
"Sour Sweet is about Chinese immigrants in Britain who cope with problems of assimilation". "Assimilation is a concept which foresees the complete loss of the original cultural identity" (3)
"This reaction [violence] is often generated by an axiomatic fear of assimilation" (4)
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(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(sociology)
(2) www.erudit.org/revue/ttr/2008/v21/n1/029692ar.pdf
(3) http://www.postcolonialweb.org/uk/mo/sakilli2.html
(4) www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mnp/ajls/2011/00000004/00000...

05:34 Jul 3, 2013 

Thanks to your comment now I am sure why I felt something was wrong with assimilation I already mentioned the negative connotation should be mentioned and I agree with you....

00:35 Jul 3, 2013 

this word derives from Latin "to make like" "to become like"...it doesn't have a connotation of "domination".

It is the process whereby an immigrant population adapts to the ways/customs/language/etc of the host country. It is considered to be a positive thing.

19:17 Jul 2, 2013 

The term assimilation, I believe, is similar to domination in terms of connotation. Domination may not be a negative term for dominants, but an ominous term for the dominated.
Sure we all have our own opinions and views.

19:03 Jul 2, 2013 

These are not reliable sources, sure I've checked some sources for assimilation...anyway I just mentioned my idea not necessarily right...

18:52 Jul 2, 2013 

Just check the following link:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati#.27.E2.80.8EReflec...

18:49 Jul 2, 2013 

میتونه همگرایی فرهنگی یا زبانی ترجمه بشه البته بازم به نظر من

18:47 Jul 2, 2013 

right but it connotes nothing negative...

18:43 Jul 2, 2013 

The following definitions are provided by The Free Dictionary:

3 (in sociology) the process in which a person or a group of people of a different ethnic background become absorbed into a new culture.
3. the process by which members of a culture change their lifeways in order to become totally integrated into another culture.

18:39 Jul 2, 2013 

assimilation
بیشتر در مورد زبانشناسی و این جور موارد بکار میره و نکته مهم تر اینه که هیچ معنی منفی نداره و به هیچ وجه نباید به جای خود باختگی در معنای منفی استفاده شود به نظر من!