Au delà ou en deçà

English translation: Within or without the bounds of

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French term or phrase:Au delà ou en deçà
English translation:Within or without the bounds of
Entered by: Jenefer Bonczyk

13:18 Dec 4, 2014
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Anthropology / Urban anthropology
French term or phrase: Au delà ou en deçà
Au delà ou en deçà de l’urbanité générique…

The following appears in a subtitle on an anthropological text concerning anonymity in urban life. The title precedes an explanation of the concept of a generic, homogenous urbanity and the authors' critique of this idea, postulating a plurality of models of urbanity.
I am inclined to just use 'Beyond a generic urbanity', but don't know how to include the sense of 'en deçà'.
Thankyou in advance for any suggestions.
Jenefer Bonczyk
France
Local time: 20:21
Within or without the bounds of
Explanation:
https://www.foursquare.org/images/assets/Bylaws_06_2013_Engl...
Regular or special meetings of the board shall be held at any place within or without the bounds of the State of California, which may be designated from time to.

www.marynsam.co.uk/.../a_pragmasocioreligious_investigation...
“within or without” the bounds of literalness,

https://www.courtlistener.com/wva/7Lkp/state-v-demus/
... may be located within or without the bounds of the municipality, .... belonging exclusively to any county, district, city, village, or town in this state, ...

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-12-04 14:24:14 GMT)
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books.google.co.uk/books?id=b5VIAAAAYAAJ
1833 - ‎England
... perpetrated by no other populace within or without the bounds of the civilized world. ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:47:21 GMT) Post-grading
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I've found it used for, among other things: within and without the bounds of lawful authority, style guides, denomination, (God's) creation, religion and spirituality ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:48:10 GMT) Post-grading
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That should have been "within OR without" in the previous note.
Selected response from:

B D Finch
France
Local time: 20:21
Grading comment
Thankyou, I like this phrase although it seems generally to be used for actual places, I think I can stretch it to apply to an academic theory.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1inside looking out, or outside looking in
philgoddard
4View from Beyond or from Within
Francois Boye
3Within or without the bounds of
B D Finch


Discussion entries: 7





  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
View from Beyond or from Within


Explanation:
Based on the Asker's explanations, my view is that the title of this new paragraph indicates how the author of this anthropology paper is to criticize the concept of generic urbanity: from beyond, to show what the concept excludes; from within, to show what the concept misses within what it includes

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 15:21
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
inside looking out, or outside looking in


Explanation:
Iyes hard to come up with something without seeing the paper or knowing what they mean by "generic urbanity", but here's a suggestion.

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  kashew: Hi P, May I suggest "Placelessness: from inside and outside"
10 mins
  -> You may :-)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Within or without the bounds of


Explanation:
https://www.foursquare.org/images/assets/Bylaws_06_2013_Engl...
Regular or special meetings of the board shall be held at any place within or without the bounds of the State of California, which may be designated from time to.

www.marynsam.co.uk/.../a_pragmasocioreligious_investigation...
“within or without” the bounds of literalness,

https://www.courtlistener.com/wva/7Lkp/state-v-demus/
... may be located within or without the bounds of the municipality, .... belonging exclusively to any county, district, city, village, or town in this state, ...

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-12-04 14:24:14 GMT)
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books.google.co.uk/books?id=b5VIAAAAYAAJ
1833 - ‎England
... perpetrated by no other populace within or without the bounds of the civilized world. ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:47:21 GMT) Post-grading
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I've found it used for, among other things: within and without the bounds of lawful authority, style guides, denomination, (God's) creation, religion and spirituality ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:48:10 GMT) Post-grading
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That should have been "within OR without" in the previous note.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 20:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Thankyou, I like this phrase although it seems generally to be used for actual places, I think I can stretch it to apply to an academic theory.
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