épargne

English translation: reserved area

17:43 Feb 13, 2020

French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Electronics / Elect Eng / Touch screen on laboratory analyzer

French term or phrase: épargne

The term appears on one of a set of drawings relating to a laboratory analyzer. This device comprises a touchscreen. The drawing in question shows the rear of the touchscreen which has two 10x10 mm squares, 23 mm from the top of the screen, 72 mm apart.

One of these squares has a label that states "Réaliser une épargne en ponçant l'arrière de l'écran pour rendre les zones électriquement conductrices". The title of this particular drawing is simply "Epargne écran".

I find this word "épargne" particularly strange as I would normally expect it to mean "resist" with the opposite meaning (i.e. a coating applied to act as protection).

Would there be any issue in calling this thing a "patch"?

David Goward KudoZ activity Questions: 221 (1 open) (14 closed without grading) Answers: 627 France
Local time: 18:00

English translation:reserved area

Explanation:
In all my years working in electronics, I can't think I have ever encountered a specific term for this.
As everyone has said, the meaning is clear, even if the translation is less obvious.
We ought to remember that the source term originally means 'something that has been saved' — as we are more familair with, often by masking off etc. But there's no reason on earth it can't also be the opposite, as here: removing something that has already been applied.
I think 'reserved area' would do, in the absence of anything better, to convey the idea: that a certain action is needed in order to 'reserve' a certain area for a certain purpose. Similar thing on car windscreens, where the heat-reflective coating is not applied (or removed after application) from the area behind the rear view mirror in order to allow radio waves to pass for e.g. toll transponders.

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Tony M
France
Local time: 18:00

Grading comment

Thanks to Tony, Daryo, Chris and BD Finch for your agreeing that there is no single way of dealing with this!
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Summary of answers provided

4 +1

create an exposed area

Daryo

reserved area

Tony M

3 -2

take advantage

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón

Discussion entries: 9

David Goward

France

ASKER

@Daryo

13:42 Feb 17, 2020

Yes, of course I've checked previous KudoZ questions.
As Tony has pointed out, the concept doesn't pose any problem, but finding the right terminology does.
Elsewhere in the same batch of drawings, on a different part, there is an M3 hole that is "épargné de traitement". I am happy to translate this particular example as "masked".
Thanks for your input.

Daryo

United Kingdom

Yes, it does sound like

04:54 Feb 16, 2020

a 'negative' situation - but in effect the end result is the same AS IF that area was "spared from treatment" in the first place.

Tony M

France

@ Daryo

21:46 Feb 15, 2020

Yes, that is generally the idea, as we've been discussing below.
What seems to be confusing here is that in this instance, it is not something being 'protected' from subsequent processing, but rather, being cleaned from what has been processed — so it's almost like a 'negative' situation.
I don't see the concept poses any problem, but the terminology is more tricky.

Daryo

United Kingdom

Have you checked previous Kudoz questions?

20:41 Feb 15, 2020

There was already some time ago a similar question.

As far as I can remember "épargne" was used to mean that s.t. / some area was "spared from" being attacked by acid / painted.

Tony M

France

@ Asker

16:46 Feb 14, 2020

The idea is 'a protected area' — in this case, whatever has been coated originally has to be sanded off.

David Goward

France

ASKER

@Both Chris and BD Finch

07:49 Feb 14, 2020

Thank you for your input. Ordinarily, this term wouldn't pose a problem when used in the sense of resist/reserve/mask. Here, it's as if whatever coating is on the back of the panel is being removed to create a small electrically conductive patch. For the legend quoted in the query, I'd thought of using something along the lines of Chris's suggestion but "Epargne écran" for the title of this particular drawing is proving trickier! If it helps, this is the touchscreen built into the device: https://tinyurl.com/u64t4v6

chris collister

France

22:02 Feb 13, 2020

But as David says, the meaning seems to be the reverse of the usual, where the "épargne" is used to protect whatever else it is you're about to do to the surface. Perhaps you could sidstep the issue with "use abrasive paper on the rear of the screen to make the zones electrically conductive" ?

B D Finch

France

@Chris Collister

19:40 Feb 13, 2020

I seem to remember, from my long-ago art college etching classes, that the term we used for the bits of the plate coated to stop the acid getting to them was "reserve".

chris collister

France

17:50 Feb 13, 2020

I've come across this term in spray-painting or coating, where it usually means "mask".

Answers

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

take advantage

Explanation:
Take advantage by sanding the back of the screen to make the areas electrically conductive.

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 11:00
Native speaker of: Spanish

Notes to answerer

Asker: Sorry, "take advantage" makes no sense in this context.

23 hrs confidence:

reserved area

Tony M
France
Local time: 18:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 2116

Grading comment

Thanks to Tony, Daryo, Chris and BD Finch for your agreeing that there is no single way of dealing with this!

2 days 11 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

réaliser une épargne create an exposed area

Explanation:

or more literally:

"create an area spared from the insulating layer"

"une épargne" would be normally created by masking the area to "spare from" being painted (or treated in some other way) at the time when the covering layer / treatment is being done.

HERE "une épargne" is created post festum by removing parts of the layer that wouldn't have been there IF the "épargne" was created when the treatment / covering layer was initially applied.

IOW because the layer on top is already there the "spared areas" are created by removing the top layer - instead of abstaining from applying it in the first place.

Or to put it in another way:

"une épargne" is an area that ends up unpainted/untreated ... either

-- because you refrain for paint over it / treat it when the treatment is being done
OR
-- because you remove some parts of top layer after it has been applied.

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Note added at 2 days 11 hrs (2020-02-16 04:46:49 GMT)
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as the "treatment" here is to add an insulating layer, "une épargne" would be a "non-insulated / exposed area"

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Note added at 2 days 11 hrs (2020-02-16 05:00:08 GMT)
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... you refrain from painting over it

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:00
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 30

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