fille-mère

English translation: teen mother

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French term or phrase:fille-mère
English translation:teen mother
Entered by: Isabelle Barth-O'Neill

21:02 Nov 6, 2012
French to English translations [PRO]
International Org/Dev/Coop
French term or phrase: fille-mère
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L’objectif principal de ce programme est de renforcer les processus de résilience de jeunes filles mères désocialisées vivant dans des quartiers défavorisés de XXXXX grâce à un accompagnement personnalisé, individuel et/ou en groupe

Quel terme choisiriez-vous ?

merci
Isabelle Barth-O'Neill
Local time: 01:21
teen mother
Explanation:
Or teenage mother.

En effet, comparativement aux femmes qui deviennent mères à un âge plus tardif, les jeunes filles mères sont plus susceptibles de développer des maladies rénales, des troubles dépressifs et des problèmes d'anémie, d'hypertension et de prééclampsie. Quant à leurs enfants, ils présentent des taux plus élevés de mortalité périnatale, de naissance prématurée et de faible poids à la naissance. Les jeunes filles mères et leurs enfants courent également des risques socioéconomiques à long terme, tels qu'un niveau de scolarité inférieur, une diminution des possibilités d'emploi et l'absence d'un partenaire contribuant au revenu familial.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cphorsphc-respcacsp/2011/cphorsph...

Compared to older mothers, teen mothers are more likely to experience anemia, hypertension, pre-eclampsia, renal disease and depressive disorders, and their children may have higher perinatal mortality rate, higher preterm birth rates and lower birth weights. There are also long-term socio-economic risks for the teen mother and her children such as lower educational attainment, reduced employment opportunities and the lack of a contributing partner to the household income.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cphorsphc-respcacsp/2011/cphorsph...
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cc in nyc
Local time: 20:21
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Summary of answers provided
5 +5teen mother
cc in nyc
4 +3teen(age) mum
Yvonne Gallagher
3 +3child mothers
Wendy Streitparth
4 +2single moms
jmleger
4 +1young single mothers
Daryo
4 -1unwed mother(s)
Jean-Claude Gouin
Summary of reference entries provided
deux variantes au moins...
Daryo

Discussion entries: 12





  

Answers


25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
child mothers


Explanation:
I think we are talking about young girls who fall pregnant, whereas a "single mom" could be any age.

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 02:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Merci


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  BrigitteHilgner
7 mins
  -> Thanks, Brigitte

agree  Carol Gullidge: or teenage mums. Agree with your explanation, you can be in your thirties and still be a single mum
42 mins
  -> Thanks, Carol

neutral  Sheila Wilson: In the light of the added context that they are under 20, I don't think this would be acceptable for the upper end of the group
55 mins
  -> Thanks, Sheila. Take your point but since this presumably involves developing countries I assumed it concerned really young girls. The "under 20" comment wasn't there when I posted. Maybe the context indicates what the major age group is.

agree  Lara Barnett
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Lara

neutral  Daryo: "child mother" would associate with "the youngest possible"; some of them might be just "young" / "teenage"
10 hrs
  -> Thanks Daryo, but as you yourself say, it is a case of "jeunes" filles mères.
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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
single moms


Explanation:
in the States.

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-06 22:05:55 GMT)
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A 40-50 ans, on a plutôt affaire à des mères divorcées ou veuves, statistiquement parlant. Non? Bon, il y a des Rachida Dati, mais c'est tout même de la maternité discrétionnaire dans ce cas.

jmleger
Local time: 19:21
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
Notes to answerer
Asker: Merci - mais on peut être mère célibataire en France et avoir 40 ou 50 ans. Là il s'agit de filles qui ont moins de 20 ans. utiliseriez vous ce terme quand même ?/


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  sofi21: http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/fille-mère synonyme: mere celibataire
10 mins
  -> Thx!

agree  Marco Solinas: Perhaps "young single mothers"or "teenage single mothers" to address the asker's concern.
16 mins
  -> Thx!

agree  Christiane Tanner: Or perhaps teenage single mothers, to identify age group more precisely
46 mins
  -> Thx!

agree  NancyLynn: teen mom, as in the current age few teens marry, whether preg or not
1 hr
  -> Thx!

agree  Patrice: good points made by all respondents here
5 hrs
  -> Thx!

agree  Liliane Hatem: single mom, whether she's 15 or 50
7 hrs

disagree  cc in nyc: I believe the issue is the youth of the mothers – not necessarily their marital status – and "mom" is too informal for this context
7 hrs

disagree  Daryo: the question was misleading, shoud've been "jeunes filles mères" as in the ST - the issue is their age - "jeunes filles"
11 hrs

neutral  Carol Gullidge: one can't necessarily assume that these young mothers are necessarily single
11 hrs

disagree  B D Finch: "Moms" is too informal (and US, while the Asker's time zone is UK) and loses the point about their age - i.e. they are both children and mothers..
12 hrs

disagree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: For "mère célibataire" but not for "fille-mère", the point being the fact that the French describes teenagers.
14 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
unwed mother(s)


Explanation:
My seccond choice would be 'single mom(s)' ... no matter what their ages ...

Jean-Claude Gouin
Canada
Local time: 20:21
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  cc in nyc: I believe the issue is the youth of the mothers – not necessarily their marital status // IMO neither "single mom" nor "unwed mother" is accurate; I believe they may be married. // Here we have "jeunes filles mères."
5 hrs
  -> 'single mom' is all right but 'unwed mother' is not?//In my neck of the woods 'une fille-mère' is an unwed mother or a single mom ...

disagree  Daryo: ST: "jeunes filles mères" vs ... no matter what their ages ...?// still not convinced, but for different reasons: "not married" - doesn't exclude the father still being around - while the ST is mainly about these mothers being lone mothers.
9 hrs

agree  Yolanda Broad: Given the Asker's further explanation, "Il s'agit de jeunes filles, non mariées...," this is the correct term for "filles mères," whether or not they are, as is the case in the Asker's text, young.
20 hrs
  -> Thank you very much. Un gros merci. Muy muchas gracias, Yolanda.
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
jeune fille mère
teen mother


Explanation:
Or teenage mother.

En effet, comparativement aux femmes qui deviennent mères à un âge plus tardif, les jeunes filles mères sont plus susceptibles de développer des maladies rénales, des troubles dépressifs et des problèmes d'anémie, d'hypertension et de prééclampsie. Quant à leurs enfants, ils présentent des taux plus élevés de mortalité périnatale, de naissance prématurée et de faible poids à la naissance. Les jeunes filles mères et leurs enfants courent également des risques socioéconomiques à long terme, tels qu'un niveau de scolarité inférieur, une diminution des possibilités d'emploi et l'absence d'un partenaire contribuant au revenu familial.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cphorsphc-respcacsp/2011/cphorsph...

Compared to older mothers, teen mothers are more likely to experience anemia, hypertension, pre-eclampsia, renal disease and depressive disorders, and their children may have higher perinatal mortality rate, higher preterm birth rates and lower birth weights. There are also long-term socio-economic risks for the teen mother and her children such as lower educational attainment, reduced employment opportunities and the lack of a contributing partner to the household income.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cphorsphc-respcacsp/2011/cphorsph...

cc in nyc
Local time: 20:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Karen Stokes: 'teenage' in the UK; agree the register requires 'mother' not 'mum'
3 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  Daryo
3 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  mimi 254
5 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  Marie Jackson
6 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  Samantha Hind (X): There is no mention of being single, so it is more a case of the mothers being very young. I would say 'teenage mother' though (from the UK...).
6 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne
7 hrs
  -> Thank you.

disagree  jmleger: A teen mother can be married, but we are talking about young women who are "désocialisées".
9 hrs
  -> The teen mothers described in the reference cited in the Explanation sound fairly désocialisées.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
teen(age) mum


Explanation:
or Teen Mom for US (there's even a TV programme of the same name)

Very common and in some disadvantaged areas almost a fashionable thing to do. I had two sixteen year old girls in a class who got pregnant and were delighted! No need to mention married or single as the main point is the age of the mother

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/oct/12/teenage-m...



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Note added at 13 hrs (2012-11-07 10:36:06 GMT)
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I disagree that register is wrong. I think this type of term is used in all registers as there has been so much discusion about the whole phenomenon. I know (when I was teaching) that I read academic articles on the subject where the term "teenage mum" was used

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 01:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Patrice
2 hrs
  -> thanks Patrice!

agree  Jessica Noyes: Yes, "single" isn't mentioned in the text. They could actually be married.
2 hrs
  -> thanks Jessica

neutral  cc in nyc: IMO "mum" (or AE "mom") is the wrong register for the source text.
4 hrs
  -> thanks for comment. See note above

agree  Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
4 hrs
  -> thanks Sangro!
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
jeunes filles-mères
young single mothers


Explanation:
these are "filles-mères" who are also young.

As it happens often outside of France, words keep their previous meaning far far longer. Here "filles-mères" seems to be used in a way that's become rather obsolete in France - to mean single unmarried women.

From the additional information given, the really relevant part of "single unmarried women" here is that these young mothers are on their own - that they are "single mothers".


Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:21
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Laurel Clausen: Given the asker's explanation of under the age of 25, this seems to be the most all-encompassing solution
1 hr
  -> Thanks! Once you have enough context information, less guessing is needed!
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Reference comments


16 hrs
Reference: deux variantes au moins...

Reference information:
fille-mère (Nom commun) Singulier fille-mère /fij.mɛʁ/ Pluriel filles-mères /fij.mɛʁ/

fille-mère /fij.mɛʁ/ féminin

(Vieilli) ou (Péjoratif) Nom donné aux mères de famille qui n’ont pas eu et n’ont pas de mari.
Beaucoup de femmes, dans le but d’échapper aux conséquences de la maternité, se font avorter; (…).S’il y a crime en ceci, c’est aux pseudo-moralistes qui trouvent bon de persécuter les filles-mères et de leur fermer toutes les portes que doit revenir la principale responsabilité. — (Jean Marestan, L’Éducation Sexuelle, Éditions de la « Guerre Sociale », 1910)
Car ce qu’il faut aujourd’hui à la France affaiblie, c’est du sang nouveau, c’est de la force, c’est de la vie, et la vie peut naître, m’assure-t-on, tout aussi bien de l’amant fort et valide que du mari trop usé avant la noce par celle qu’il a faite. Puissent les amants légitimes et toutes les filles-mères sauver ni plus, ni moins la Patrie, que nos respectables époux modernes conduisent eux-mêmes si rapidement au suicide. — (Jane de Magny & Georges Anquetil, L’Amant légitime ou la Bourgeoise libertine, 1923)
Mais, dans la pratique, celles qu’on appelle des filles-mères sont chichement aidées, tenues en état de mépris et, le plus souvent, jetées à la rue, précipitées aux abîmes. — (Ludovic Naudeau, La France se regarde. Le problème de la natalité, 1931)

Synonymes mère célibataire
[http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/fille-mère]

Une maternité précoce

Etre maman bien avant ses copines, ça arrive. Qu’il s’agisse d’une surprise ou d’un projet de vie, un bébé bouleverse toujours le quotidien, d’autant plus quand sa propre enfance n’est pas très loin. Combien la France recense-t-elle de "filles-mères" ? Quels sont leurs besoins et leurs angoisses spécifiques ?…

Aujourd'hui, plus de la moitié des européennes enceintes avant 18 ans décident de garder leur enfant. Et les jeunes papas acceptent alors volontiers d’assumer leurs responsabilités, même en cas de séparation ultérieure.
[http://www.doctissimo.fr/html/grossesse/avant/envie-enfant/a...]

Daryo
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
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