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être dans une logique de

English translation: to be concerned with

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French term or phrase:être dans une logique de
English translation:to be concerned with
Entered by: Sarah Bessioud

20:14 Nov 7, 2012
French to English translations [PRO]
International Org/Dev/Coop
French term or phrase: être dans une logique de
Je comprends bien le sens, mais je doute que l'on utilise le mot : logical en anglais ou un de ses dérivés.

Des idées ? Merci

Voici la phrase :

Dans le cadre des entretiens cliniques individuels, il a été identifié que ces jeunes femmes sont dans une telle logique de survie et dans un tel état de désespoir qu’elles négligent leurs propres besoins affectifs.
Isabelle Barth-O'Neill
Local time: 15:50
to be concerned with
Explanation:
These young women are so concerned with (simply) surviving/survival and are in such a state of despair...

http://www.unco.edu/philosophy/current/forums/pop_printer_fr...
the people were so concerned with "surviving" that they weren't concerned with playing
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Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 16:50
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5to be concerned with
Sarah Bessioud
4 +1to be in a mindset of
Kate Collyer
4 +1are in such survival mode
MatthewLaSon
3 +2so focused on (simply) surviving. so focused on survival
Christiane Tanner
4 +1be preoccupied with
Victoria Britten
3 +1so busy trying to survive that
SafeTex
4see sentence
Daryo
3they are caught up in such a survival struggle
Anne R
4 -3To be in a logic of
Salih YILDIRIM
Summary of reference entries provided
The Logic of ... Survival
Daryo

Discussion entries: 1





  

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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
to be concerned with


Explanation:
These young women are so concerned with (simply) surviving/survival and are in such a state of despair...

http://www.unco.edu/philosophy/current/forums/pop_printer_fr...
the people were so concerned with "surviving" that they weren't concerned with playing

Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 16:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Phil
agree  Sheila Wilson
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Sheila
agree  cc in nyc: My first impulse was "so consumed with survival" but "concerned" is less dramatic. ;-)
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, cc
agree  mimi 254
12 hrs
  -> Thank you, mimi.
agree  Cetacea
2 days 44 mins
  -> Thank you, Cetacea.
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53 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
to be in a mindset of


Explanation:
Their mindset/ mentality/ attitude is focussed purely on survival

Kate Collyer
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:50
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Melissa McMahon
9 hrs
  -> Thanks Melissa!
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
are in such survival mode


Explanation:
Hello,

My try...

I hope this helps.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-11-07 22:48:09 GMT)
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logique = mode (here)

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 10:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Daryo: "are so much in a survival mode" ?// Thanks!
1 day 3 hrs
  -> Thank you, Daryo! No, that doesn't sound very native-like. You could get away with "are so much in survival mode", but no indefinite article (*a*), I'm afraid. Bonne nuit!
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
so busy trying to survive that


Explanation:
does not have the same formal sound as 'dans la logique de' but fits in well with the rest
I don't think people in this situation would say 'I was very concerned with my survival'
the thing with être dans la logique is that it can be said about anyone. Someone who thinks they are a victim to a company strategy and so it translates differently for each situatio

Example sentence(s):
  • so busy trying to survive that they neglected their own emotional needs
SafeTex
France
Local time: 16:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  B D Finch: Good solution.
3 hrs
neutral  cc in nyc: "busy" implies activity, which may or may not be the case here
8 hrs
neutral  Marie Jackson: If a more informal register were required, this would be my choice, although cc's point about 'busy' is worth noting.
1 day 9 hrs
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
so focused on (simply) surviving. so focused on survival


Explanation:
another option

Christiane Tanner
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  cc in nyc: without "simply"
4 hrs
agree  Marie Jackson: I like this solution best, and I actually like it with 'simply' too, although it's not a necessity. Interesting how we all have different writing styles!
1 day 5 hrs
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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
be preoccupied with


Explanation:
For me "être dans une logique" implies having that concern constantly in mind, as when one is preoccupied by something.

Victoria Britten
France
Local time: 16:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  cc in nyc: also possible
1 hr
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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -3
To be in a logic of


Explanation:
Imho

Salih YILDIRIM
United States
Local time: 10:50
Native speaker of: Native in TurkishTurkish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Kim Metzger: Linguistically, grammatically impossible in English.
38 mins
disagree  Marie Jackson: What Kim said.
22 hrs
disagree  Cetacea: This does not make sense in English.
1 day 3 hrs
neutral  Daryo: you do find it, but rarely and only in translated texts, usually not a good sign.
1 day 23 hrs
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2 days 21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
they are caught up in such a survival struggle


Explanation:
Would not "caught up" translate this - in a figurative meaning?

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Note added at 2 days21 hrs (2012-11-10 17:28:43 GMT)
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or simply caught without "up", rather?

Anne R
Italy
Local time: 16:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
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2 days 21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
see sentence


Explanation:
"..., il a été identifié que ces jeunes femmes sont dans une telle logique de survie et dans un tel état de désespoir qu’elles négligent leurs propres besoins affectifs.

"... these young women are so set in their logic of survival ...."

logic of survival / survival logic = a way of thinking focused on survival;

"... Millions of dollars are lost every Year by Clubs, Bars, Lounges, Sports Bars,
who are so set in their thinking, they never see the clarity or the reality
of what they are doing that is not generating cash flow, to what they should
be presenting, that would create a cash cow. ..."
[http://www.promotingnightclubs.com/0805-1.htm]

“… I think that there is another even more vicious twist to Harrison’s python. It is one which operates from the very basic survival logic of the child. We may imagine that the child has to work out an answer to the difficult question: “If they love me, why did they send me away?”
[http://www.boardingschoolsurvivors.co.uk/extract_4.html]

The Logic of Survival in a Lunatic World
A review by Robert Brustein
…
"...It's better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees," Nately retorted with triumphant and lofty conviction. "I guess you've heard that saying before." "Yes, I certainly have," mused the treacherous old man, smiling again. "But I'm afraid you have it backward. It is better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees. That is the way the saying goes." - Catch-22
Like all superlative works of comedy - and I am ready to argue that this is one of the most bitterly funny works in the language - Catch-22 is based on an unconventional but utterly convincing internal logic.
[http://www.powells.com/review/2001_05_31.html]

btw :
"logic of survival" exactly that order of words: 23 800 ghits
"survival logic" exactly that order of words: 24 300 ghits







Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:50
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
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Reference comments


1 day 6 hrs
Reference: The Logic of ... Survival

Reference information:
"... One of the conclusions of The Logic of Political Survival is that in many cases good policies are detrimental to political survival, whereas bad policies often enhance political survival. ..."

[http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=51...]

Daryo
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
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