dans ces lieux de transit

English translation: transit camps

11:19 Jun 11, 2004
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - International Org/Dev/Coop
French term or phrase: dans ces lieux de transit
This is from a human rights document regarding médecins sans frontières. It is regarding the work that they do in the Congo. The title of this section mentions the sports centre and the train station. Could it be "transitory places?"
Mark Edmundson
Local time: 21:11
English translation:transit camps
Explanation:
if there reference is to work with refugees, then the word is probably "transit camps". The refugees are temporarily housed (sometimes for long periods of time) in such places (such as the aforementioned sports centre and train station) before a more permanent place is found for them in a refugee camp.
Often refugees come to cities or central areas after fleeing rural areas - farms, villages, etc.

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http://www.db.idpproject.org/Sites/IdpProjectDb/idpSurvey.ns...\'Ivoire/$file/Cote+d\'Ivoire+-November+2003.doc.
Selon des sources, le centre culturel, l\'un des lieux de transit de la ville, s\'est avéré inadapté aux besoins du nombre croissant de déplacés.
According to some humanitarian sources, the cultural centre, one of the transit centres is inadequate for the increasing number of IDPs [Internally Displaced People]
I also mentioned \"transit centres/centers\" in my note below, however, in my experience, this term is used interchangeably with \"transit camps\", which are actually of a more temporary nature.

Transit camps and transit centres:
http://www.db.idpproject.org/Sites/idpSurvey.nsf/wViewCountr...
Most of the 35 sites where UNITA soldiers gathered have now been closed down by the Angolan government, and many of the former soldiers and their families have been moved to transit camps. These camps were only designed over a very short period of time, and have very inadequate water or sanitation facilities. However, due to transport problems many people have been stuck in these camps for a long time.
The World Food Programme estimates that 185,500 demobilised soldiers and their families remain at 20 (now closed) gathering areas and a further 27,450 are in 45 transit centres, all awaiting transportation to their areas of origin. In response the WFP has initiated short-term emergency feeding in the transit centres. According to the United Nations, 330,000 demobilised soldiers and their families have already returned home.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3transit camps
Aisha Maniar
5 +1I know it's literal but
Bourth (X)
5 +1transit AREAS
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
5in these transitory places
ahmed ismaiel owieda
4 +1transit sites
ggrozoma
4 +1MEANING: places where there are a lot of comings and goings
CMJ_Trans (X)
3 +1in these (or aforementioned) transit venues, transit locations
writeaway


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in these transitory places


Explanation:
in these transitory places

ahmed ismaiel owieda
Egypt
Local time: 23:11
Native speaker of: Arabic

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neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): transitory has another meaning...
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in these (or aforementioned) transit venues, transit locations


Explanation:
depending on context in doc.

writeaway
Works in field
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agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
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transit sites


Explanation:
http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/970701oxfam/
Oxfam is doing water supply and sanitation at two of the three locations that have been set up as transit sites for refugees to be repatriated to Rwanda


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http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin31398.html
WFP describes the food situation in Congo-Brazzaville as \"precarious\", particularly for the former refugees presently accommodated in transit sites.


ggrozoma
Local time: 23:11
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  Michael Bastin
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MEANING: places where there are a lot of comings and goings


Explanation:
it is difficult to give you a cut and dried translation without having the whole sentence but I suspect it must be something about how they set up medical facilities or care facilities in stations and sports centres because these are places through which peopole regularly transit.
In the absence of more context, HTH

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Note added at 2004-06-11 12:31:13 (GMT)
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IN THESE PLACES THROUGH WHICH SO MANY PEOPLE TRANSIT

now I have seen your sentence

CMJ_Trans (X)
Local time: 22:11
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agree  lien: avec l'explication
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I know it's literal but


Explanation:
WHATEVER IS WRONG with "places of transit"? Over 50 Googles with ("places of transit + refugees) and ("places of transit + "displaced persons").

<<The court considered that the use by police officers of skin colour as a criterion for determining who should be asked for their papers was ''merely indicative of a greater probability that the person involved was not Spanish''. It added that the moment and place at which an identity check was made, such as railway stations, and other ***places of transit***, lodgings used by foreigners or areas inhabited by a number of foreigners, had a bearing on whether it was logical for public officials to carry out identity checks>>

<<As regards the geographical space in which the migration takes place, it is useful to distinguish between the place of origin, or place of departure and the place of destination, or place of arrival. Migration often does not occur directly between these two places, but involves one, or several ***places of transit***.>>
[http://www.iom.int/DOCUMENTS/PUBLICATION/EN/chap01p1_24.pdf]


Bourth (X)
Local time: 22:11
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transit AREAS


Explanation:
Areas not camps or sites or places...

... been registered in Osire camp, but the daily influx of 50-100 new arrivals per day
continues and there are more refugees waiting in the transit areas ready to ...
www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/ 5d1fe0441ffee3a4c12568650037a817?OpenDocument - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

ReliefWeb: Namibia: Angolan refugees Appeal No. 36/99 Situation ...
... weeks to an estimated 50-100 per week, not all the refugees or internally displaced
people are being moved to the Osire Camp from the transit areas along the ...
www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/ 725c1d89726170b1c1256879003c41d3?OpenDocument - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.reliefweb.int ]

HRW: Struggling Through Peace: Return and Resettlement in Angola ...
... and transit areas. Ensure that adequate conditions and security are established
at entry points on the Angolan borders to receive Angolan refugees returning ...
www.hrw.org/reports/2003/angola0803/4.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

SYRIA: First Iraqi refugees in region cross border at Al-Yarubiyah ...
... IOM said each location would be equipped with transit areas to receive
TCNs and refugees or asylum seekers crossing in from Iraq. ...
www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=33019& SelectRegion=Iraq_Crisis&SelectCountry=SYRIA - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

ANGOLA: Steady improvement in humanitarain conditions - OCHA IRIN
... In several cases, refugees are entering ... first quarter, an estimated 30,000 demobilised
soldiers and family members remained in approximately 45 transit areas. ...
www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=34290 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages



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Note added at 1 hr 23 mins (2004-06-11 12:42:39 GMT)
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FINAL: TRANSIT AREAS

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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agree  A-Z Trans (X)
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transit camps


Explanation:
if there reference is to work with refugees, then the word is probably "transit camps". The refugees are temporarily housed (sometimes for long periods of time) in such places (such as the aforementioned sports centre and train station) before a more permanent place is found for them in a refugee camp.
Often refugees come to cities or central areas after fleeing rural areas - farms, villages, etc.

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Note added at 2 hrs 6 mins (2004-06-11 13:25:49 GMT)
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http://www.db.idpproject.org/Sites/IdpProjectDb/idpSurvey.ns...\'Ivoire/$file/Cote+d\'Ivoire+-November+2003.doc.
Selon des sources, le centre culturel, l\'un des lieux de transit de la ville, s\'est avéré inadapté aux besoins du nombre croissant de déplacés.
According to some humanitarian sources, the cultural centre, one of the transit centres is inadequate for the increasing number of IDPs [Internally Displaced People]
I also mentioned \"transit centres/centers\" in my note below, however, in my experience, this term is used interchangeably with \"transit camps\", which are actually of a more temporary nature.

Transit camps and transit centres:
http://www.db.idpproject.org/Sites/idpSurvey.nsf/wViewCountr...
Most of the 35 sites where UNITA soldiers gathered have now been closed down by the Angolan government, and many of the former soldiers and their families have been moved to transit camps. These camps were only designed over a very short period of time, and have very inadequate water or sanitation facilities. However, due to transport problems many people have been stuck in these camps for a long time.
The World Food Programme estimates that 185,500 demobilised soldiers and their families remain at 20 (now closed) gathering areas and a further 27,450 are in 45 transit centres, all awaiting transportation to their areas of origin. In response the WFP has initiated short-term emergency feeding in the transit centres. According to the United Nations, 330,000 demobilised soldiers and their families have already returned home.


    lots of human rights/refugee experience
Aisha Maniar
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agree  writeaway: sports centre maybe, but train station makes me doubt it a bit. I understand your point of view, but I find a specifying 'camp' when the doc. says 'lieu' may be a bit risky-interpretation vs translation.final: No you're wrong-you're right, not me :-)
5 mins
  -> it depends on the context of the text; such camps can be makeshift, unlike "transit centres". added:yes, more context would help and you may well be right :-)

agree  Julia Gal
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  -> thank you

agree  Nanny Wintjens
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