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Hors pouvoir

English translation: unless holding a proxy

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French term or phrase:Hors pouvoir
English translation:unless holding a proxy

15:03 Jan 8, 2020
    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2020-01-12 08:54:09 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)


French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / Statuts
French term or phrase: Hors pouvoir
Bonjour à tous,

Je traduis les Statuts d'une association (loi 1901) dont l'un stipule la chose suivante:

"Les membres d'honneur font partie de Passemblee générale et disposent du droit de vote à hauteur d'une voix par membre, hors pouvoir.

Quelqu'un peut-il m'éclairer sur la signification de "hors pouvoir" dans ce contexte?

Merci par avance!

Philippe
PHILIPPE MOREL
France
Local time: 10:24
unless holding a proxy
Explanation:
Proxy - including weighted /double - votes would be added to the single vote, should a proxy or 'power' be held.
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Adrian MM.
Austria
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4 +5unless holding a proxy
Adrian MM.
5 +3not counting proxies/not counting proxy votes
Eliza Hall


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
unless holding a proxy


Explanation:
Proxy - including weighted /double - votes would be added to the single vote, should a proxy or 'power' be held.

Example sentence(s):
  • Bushell v Faith [1970] AC 1099 is a UK company law case, concerning the possibility of weighting votes, and the relationship to section 184 of Companies Act

    Reference: http://eng.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/4437994-hors-e...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 359
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Germaine: C'est ce que je crois comprendre aussi.
1 hr
  -> Merci and thanks!
agree  philgoddard: Not totally sure about this, but it does fit the context.
2 hrs
  -> Funnliy enough, 'dehors the Will' is used in 'English' though this is a scenario within the balloting or polling.
agree  ph-b (X)
2 hrs
  -> Merci and thanks!
agree  AllegroTrans
3 hrs
  -> Thanks and merci.
agree  Angus Stewart
4 hrs
  -> Thanks and merci.
neutral  Eliza Hall: You've clearly got the concept right, but the language is wrong. It's not that members get 1 vote "unless [they are] holding" a proxy. It's that they get 1 vote, in addition to any proxy votes they may also be casting.
6 hrs
  -> not entirely accurate; a proxy or power may grant a right to speak - but not vote - at a meeting or ballot only. A proxy speaker can influence other voters and 'swing' votes.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
not counting proxies/not counting proxy votes


Explanation:
It means that each member gets one vote on matters put to the vote at general meetings, not counting any proxy votes that the member may also be casting at the same general meeting.

At this link you'll see a set of nonprofit/association statuts/corporate articles that have identical language, and also explain further how this works: http://www.arpege27.fr/l-association/statuts/

Toward the bottom of Article 8 of those statuts, it says:

"Chaque membre de l’association ne dispose que d’une seule voix lors d’un vote, hors pouvoir....

Chaque membre peut détenir un maximum de 3 pouvoirs. Un pouvoir n’est valable que sur présentation, au moment du vote, d’un document signé par le délégataire mentionnant son nom et le nom de la personne à qui le pouvoir est délégué. Un pouvoir n’est valable que pour l’assemblée générale (ordinaire, extraordinaire) pour laquelle il a été émis."

So for that association, each member gets one vote for themselves on general meeting matters, and may also cast up to three proxy votes at the same general meeting.

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Note added at 6 hrs (2020-01-08 21:29:30 GMT)
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PS to clarify. The point is that any proxy votes that a member may be casting are not counted towards the 1 vote that the member gets to cast on their own behalf.

Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 04:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 145

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: Another way of saying it but Adrian's answer is OK too; I think your version is slightly clearer
2 hrs
  -> Merci.
agree  Cyril Tollari: Clearer
2 days 3 hrs
  -> Merci
agree  Gina W
3 days 2 hrs
  -> Merci.
neutral  Adrian MM.: not entirely accurate; a proxy or power may grant a right to speak - but not vote - at a meeting or ballot only.//No such criticism, though a proxy is ambiguous - also in the US - for a form or the agent. That's why power is often used in the UK instead.
3 days 12 hrs
  -> Hahaha! You're criticizing me for using "proxy" when you used the same word in your translation?!
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