translation

English translation: translation, translational

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French term or phrase:	translation
English translation:	translation, translational
Entered by:	Laura Hastings-Brownstein

17:53 Jul 31, 2012

French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Medical: Instruments / Patent application for a Panoramic Dental x-ray unit

French term or phrase: translation

I have been wrestling with finding a suitable English term for this French term in this context. I do not want to use the English "translation/translate" because frankly, Americans just don't use this term very often in terms of movement. I feel the client will come back and question the translation if I use "translation". I have used "transfer" or "movement" or "shift", but I don't feel satisfied with those solutions. I read some similar texts written in English on this technology and wonder if "pan" or "panning" (according to the context) might be a good solution.

I would appreciate your ideas. Below is context taken from various areas in the document. Each paragraph comes from separate areas of the document which should give you an idea of the whole dilemma I am facing with this terminology. I placed the word between .

Context:
Avant la réalisation du cliché, le patient est positionné debout ou assis entre la source de rayons X et le détecteur et la position verticale du bras horizontal supportant le bras rotatif est ajustée de façon à ce que le faisceau de rayons X irradie au moins l’une des mâchoires supérieure et inférieure du patient. Lors de la réalisation du cliché panoramique, le bras rotatif effectue un mouvement combiné de rotation autour de son axe et de par déplacement de son axe, de telle sorte que la source de rayons X et le détecteur effectuent chacun une trajectoire prédéterminée autour de la tête du patient.

Selon une caractéristique possible, les images contenant chacune des informations relatives à deux portions disjointes de l’arche dentaire sont acquises lors d’un mouvement combiné de rotation et de du bras rotatif.

les images contenant chacune des informations relatives à deux portions disjointes de l’arche dentaire sont acquises lors d’un mouvement combiné de rotation et de du support.

la Figure 2B est une vue schématique générale montrant la position relative de l’arche dentaire d’un patient et de la trajectoire de l’axe de rotation du bras rotatif selon un mode de réalisation de l’invention impliquant deux horizontales ;

Thank you in advance!

Laura

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translation

Explanation:
(Actual context would be desirable.)
There are two basic types of movement in classical mechanics, in idiomatic English: translation and rotation.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/translation
3. Physics Motion of a body in which every point of the body moves parallel to and the same distance as every other point of the body.

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After posting of correct source passage: "par le plus fort", as they say. No question, it's the usage from classical physica.

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physics.

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"de rotation et de translation". There can be nothing more to say.

Selected response from:

TechLawDC
United States
Local time: 16:25

Grading comment

Thanks so much for your help. It is great to have reliable colleagues to discuss these knotty issues with!
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Summary of answers provided

4 +7

translation

TechLawDC

translational

Laurence Fogarty

Discussion entries: 7

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

Thanks, Tony

20:17 Jul 31, 2012

Will do in the future. Still, pretty dumb that it can't be controlled by ProZ formatting. They could put in a text box that won't be read as html.

Tony M

France

For info

19:04 Jul 31, 2012

You should not use < > to enclose text, as they will be interpreted as html codes; you should either use standard quotes " " or * * or else use one of the valid html codes like < b > < /b > for bold, etc.

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

The last sentence was cut off:

18:16 Jul 31, 2012

It should be:
la Figure 2B est une vue schématique générale montrant la position relative de l’arche dentaire d’un patient et de la trajectoire de l’axe de rotation du bras rotatif selon un mode de réalisation de l’invention impliquant deux translations horizontales ;

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

I can't repost - Here is the context:

18:15 Jul 31, 2012

Avant la réalisation du cliché, le patient est positionné debout ou assis entre la source de rayons X et le détecteur et la position verticale du bras horizontal supportant le bras rotatif est ajustée de façon à ce que le faisceau de rayons X irradie au moins l’une des mâchoires supérieure et inférieure du patient. Lors de la réalisation du cliché panoramique, le bras rotatif effectue un mouvement combiné de rotation autour de son axe et de translation par déplacement de son axe, de telle sorte que la source de rayons X et le détecteur effectuent chacun une trajectoire prédéterminée autour de la tête du patient.

Selon une caractéristique possible, les images contenant chacune des informations relatives à deux portions disjointes de l’arche dentaire sont acquises lors d’un mouvement combiné de rotation et de translation du bras rotatif.

les images contenant chacune des informations relatives à deux portions disjointes de l’arche dentaire sont acquises lors d’un mouvement combiné de rotation et de translation du support.

la Figure 2B est une vue schématique générale montrant la position relative de l’arche dentaire d’un patient et de la trajectoire de l’axe de rotation du bras rot

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

OMG!

18:13 Jul 31, 2012

I placed the word between <> and I guess ProZ in its infinite wisdom DELETED the word!! My God. I wish they would get things straight.
I will repost this entire query. Thank you for letting me know so quickly.

Michele Lemaire

18:07 Jul 31, 2012

Laura, could you please give us the actual paragraph where this word appears?

Rosa Paredes

Canada

18:04 Jul 31, 2012

I don't see the term in the context provided (????)

Answers

17 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +7

translation

TechLawDC
United States
Local time: 16:25
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Thanks so much for your help. It is great to have reliable colleagues to discuss these knotty issues with!

Notes to answerer

Asker: I gave lots of context. Unfortunately ProZ deleted to word out of the context!

Asker: I understand this, but like I said, it really isn't used that much in literature here. I have reposted the context if you want to take a look. I am looking for something different from "translation".

Asker: Yes, I agree now, you are right. This is a patent and they are explaining scientifically how the device works. So it is appropriate to use "translation". What I will do is send the English definition as you have provided so if the client says anything, they will have the definition for context.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Timothy Lemon: 'Translation' is the correct term.

31 mins

agree

Tony M: Absolutely, no other term will do here! rotation / translation are totally standard terms.

52 mins

agree

SJLD

1 hr

agree

Michael Barnett: See http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/medical_general/...

2 hrs

agree

Jean-Claude Gouin: A translation in English, when it pertains to mathematics, is 'une translation' en français. Since the language of science is mathematics, the same word is used ... even if 'Americans just don't use this term very often in terms of movement'.

3 hrs

-> (1) This has absolutely nothing to do with mathematics. (2) Americans talking about classical mechanics use the term and no other in terms of movement!

agree

Bertrand Leduc

10 hrs

agree

rkillings: Not so much classical mechanics as *analytic geometry* per R. Descartes. You won't be able to avoid mentioning rotation about axes, which is also analytic geometry. Why not "translation"?

22 hrs

3 hrs confidence:

translational

Explanation:
Hi Laura, I appreciate your need to avoid the use of the word 'translation'. As pointed out by TechlawDC, it seems that there are only 2 possibilities here - translation or rotation. I found an OED reference for the word 'translation' used in Physics as referring to linear or onward movement as opposed to rotation or vibration. it is therefore a type of movement called translational movement ..of the arm in your tect. That also avoids the repetition.

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actually 'text'...

Laurence Fogarty
Italy
Local time: 22:25
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Laurence. That's a good solution.

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