sortie du port

English translation: port exit

15:43 Mar 13, 2021
French to English translations [PRO]
Ships, Sailing, Maritime
French term or phrase: sortie du port
Case about a mining concession where a port with infrastructure had to be built.

This is in a footnote:

"Gouvernement du BBB, "La négociation du gouvernement avec la société minière AAA ne couvre que la sortie du port », 2 mai 2009"

The text with the footnote is:

"Les discussions que les parties ont alors menées étaient axées principalement sur la capacité de AAA à obtenir des garanties environnementales et contractuelles, ainsi qu’une autorisation portuaire.[footnote]"

From descriptions this *seems* to me to be identical with the rade, i.e. the "roads" of a harbour, i.e. the area just outside the harbour. But does this make sense? Would a mining company negotiate "only" about the roads of a harbour?
Mpoma
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:01
English translation:port exit
Explanation:

Obvious answer, but I do have a bit of an explanation.

If you don't have a natural harbour (i.e. an area of sea protected from the ocean), you create one by contructing harbour walls). The opening in the walls is, for me, the port exit, but it the text, they might mean the walls and associated building work (rocks to take the energy out of waves, etc.).

The port proper will be made up of loading/unloading quays, maybe areas for container storage, passenger ferry facilities, areas for cranes, etc.

Plenty of matches for "port exit", but nothing stand out.

I did have Dun Laoighaire (pronounced "dun leery"), south Co Dublin in my mind's eye.
Map here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dun Laoghaire Harbour/@53....

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Note added at 37 mins (2021-03-13 16:20:34 GMT)
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correction: in the text
correction: stands out

There's a stray close bracket in there too.

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Note added at 42 mins (2021-03-13 16:25:44 GMT)
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Of course, whether its's on the land side or on the sea side, it can be conceived of as both an exit and an entrance! But here we have "sortie" so it's exit.

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2021-03-14 17:58:53 GMT)
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From the Discussion:

""dredge an 18m-deep shipping channel"19:24 Mar 13 Click here to delete your post Click here to edit your post

Could this be the port exit?

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/cote-divoire-approves-e...

"In particular, most of the region’s harbours are unable to accommodate the huge container ships now favoured by shipping lines that are anxious to cut costs in a highly competitive logistics market."

The text might be referring to dredging work in any port in West Africa that is being expanded.

(I'm not assuming that the text is about a port in West Africa though.)"
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Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 17:01
Grading comment
Thanks, but really not sure about meaning...
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Summary of answers provided
4exit of the port / port's exit
Shweta Panchal
3 +1port exit
Conor McAuley
3outside the port, beyond the port limits
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
3the port's exit
Lisa Rosengard


Discussion entries: 14





  

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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
outside the port, beyond the port limits


Explanation:
If "la sortie du port" is indeed defining a fixed point or area, then "la sortie" means outside the port, on the other side of the port limits. This avoids the question of entrance/exit.

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Unless it means "the removal of" something or other from the port, physically or figuratively. I see that has also been suggested in the discussion session. Either is possible from the context we have.

With regard to "roads", the term "rade" would have been referred to which is apparently not the case in this part of the text.



Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 17:01
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neutral  Daryo: they most probably had in mind making deeper some access channel that starts at the "exit" of the proper port.
17 hrs
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
exit of the port / port's exit


Explanation:
Sortie = exit

Shweta Panchal
India
Local time: 21:31
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  ormiston: Suggested above
6 hrs
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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
port exit


Explanation:

Obvious answer, but I do have a bit of an explanation.

If you don't have a natural harbour (i.e. an area of sea protected from the ocean), you create one by contructing harbour walls). The opening in the walls is, for me, the port exit, but it the text, they might mean the walls and associated building work (rocks to take the energy out of waves, etc.).

The port proper will be made up of loading/unloading quays, maybe areas for container storage, passenger ferry facilities, areas for cranes, etc.

Plenty of matches for "port exit", but nothing stand out.

I did have Dun Laoighaire (pronounced "dun leery"), south Co Dublin in my mind's eye.
Map here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dun Laoghaire Harbour/@53....

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Note added at 37 mins (2021-03-13 16:20:34 GMT)
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correction: in the text
correction: stands out

There's a stray close bracket in there too.

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Note added at 42 mins (2021-03-13 16:25:44 GMT)
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Of course, whether its's on the land side or on the sea side, it can be conceived of as both an exit and an entrance! But here we have "sortie" so it's exit.

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2021-03-14 17:58:53 GMT)
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From the Discussion:

""dredge an 18m-deep shipping channel"19:24 Mar 13 Click here to delete your post Click here to edit your post

Could this be the port exit?

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/cote-divoire-approves-e...

"In particular, most of the region’s harbours are unable to accommodate the huge container ships now favoured by shipping lines that are anxious to cut costs in a highly competitive logistics market."

The text might be referring to dredging work in any port in West Africa that is being expanded.

(I'm not assuming that the text is about a port in West Africa though.)"

Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 17:01
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 6
Grading comment
Thanks, but really not sure about meaning...
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks. Plausible.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: 'exit' is not the sort of term we'd usually use applied to a 'port'.
8 hrs
  -> I meant to look up a more technical term but I got diverted.

agree  SafeTex: No one has managed to improve on this as "port's exit" is NOT an improvement.
22 hrs
  -> Thanks SafeTex! Phil's suggestion in the Discussion is intriguing. This is the safe and obvious answer.

neutral  Daryo: you could stick to the ST, but in practice the same opening in the harbour walls would be as much used as an entrance, and usually it's called a "port entrance".
1 day 1 hr
  -> ;-)
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
the port's exit


Explanation:
'The government's negotiations with the mining enterprise only cover the port's exit."
Footnote:
"The discussions in which the groups took part, primarily, led to an annex of its capacity to obtain contractual and environmental guarantees, as well as a port permit (authorization or licence)."

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(Les discussions dans lesquelles les groupes ont participé, ont mené d'abord à l'annexe de la capacité d'obtenir des garanties contractuelles et environmentelles, avec un permis portuaire.)

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In short:
The way out or the exit from the port is the only part covered.

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Note added at 2 days 16 hrs (2021-03-16 08:22:40 GMT)
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https://lawin.org/port-of-exit/
There's a reference to a port of exit, a place where cargo is loaded before it leaves a country.
Alternatively, a harbour exit could be an answer which meets the same terminology in French.

(Il y a une sortie portuaire, un endroit où des merchandises sont chargés ou effectués avant de sortir du pays.)

Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:01
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 2

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: 1) It's generally better to avoid using the 's possessive with inanimate objects — and as others have already said, it works perfectly well without 2) 'exit' is not the sort of term we'd usually use applied to a 'port'.
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