lieux-dits

English translation: hamlet

14:54 Mar 6, 2019
French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Marketing - Tourism & Travel
French term or phrase: lieux-dits
Sautez en selle et partez à la découverte de ce véritable poumon vert, classé au patrimoine mondial de l’UNESCO depuis 2017. Suivez le guide à la recherche des lieux-dits et monuments qui parsèment la forêt.
Verity Roat
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:13
English translation:hamlet
Explanation:
these are small collections of houses, outside villages which have been give a name of their own.
I used to own a house in a lieu-dit in the middle of France.
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Ronald van Riet
Local time: 22:13
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5places of interest
Richard George Elliott
3 +5little-known (rural/bucolic) spots
B D Finch
5 -1hamlet
Ronald van Riet
4 -1remarkable places
Colin McReynolds
Summary of reference entries provided
Definitely a dictionary term -worth checking
writeaway

Discussion entries: 7





  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
hamlet


Explanation:
these are small collections of houses, outside villages which have been give a name of their own.
I used to own a house in a lieu-dit in the middle of France.

Ronald van Riet
Local time: 22:13
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Ph_B (X): lieu-dit doesn't imply that there are houses. Where I live, lots of lieux-dits, that are often just a calvary and not a house in sight. I wouldn't describe them as "hamlets".
22 mins

agree  sharon bottom
23 mins

neutral  B D Finch: While some of them are hamlets, some have no dwellings at all.
26 mins

disagree  writeaway: it's plural for starters and what indicates they are all hamlets? /I've changed it to a disagree because you are dead sure and this isn't really correct as an absolute answer /tant pis for asker
34 mins

disagree  Tony M: Inaccurate, and misleading; a 'hamlet' in principle is a 'village'.
1 hr
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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
remarkable places


Explanation:
In this context, I would use 'remarkable places' as lieu-dit can refer to a hamlet - as Mr van Riet suggested - but also refers to 'un endroit de faible étendue auquel est associé un nom propre - a small area with a proper name'.

The wikipedia article is quite informative on the subject.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieu-dit

Given that this seems to be from a touristic brochure or something similar, I would use the term 'remarkable places' as it can refer to named places, such as bends in a stream, clearings, etc.

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-03-06 15:58:27 GMT)
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As some of the commenters have said, you might find "remarkable" to be a strong. I use the adjective because of the fact that the places are named - I consider they are at least worthy of the tourist's attention. You might prefer something a bit more toned down like 'noteworthy'.

I would also suggest "Follow the guide and learn the names of the different places and about the monuments scattered about the forest."

Colin McReynolds
France
Local time: 22:13
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  B D Finch: Most lieux-dits are completely unremarkable.
8 mins

neutral  writeaway: marketing has to be accurate or it risks becoming false advertising. adding the word remarkable just because it's a brochure isn't a great idea
19 mins

disagree  Tony M: Without the adjective, your answer boils down to 'places', which is not very helpful, really; and as for the use of 'remarkable, that would better describe, for example, what in FR might be a 'site'
1 hr

agree  Ben Gaia: places of note?
16 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
places of interest


Explanation:
Assuming the text has nothing to do with wine, "places of interest" may work in the context. The interest level can be great or small but there has to be some reason why these sites are included in the guide.

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/lieu-dit
Lieu dans une ville, mais plus généralement à la campagne, qui porte un nom traditionnel rappelant une particularité topographique ou historique

Richard George Elliott
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:13
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Charles Davis: Coincidentally I have just suggested this myself in my comment on B D Finch's answer. I think it's an option worth considering.
25 mins

neutral  B D Finch: They are sometimes little-known because they are of little interest. They'd mainly be groups of one or more isolated houses or a smallholding, not necessarily still occupied.
1 hr

agree  Colin McReynolds: Places of interest at least conveys that the spots indicated were worthy of a name, for whatever reason, and fits well in the overall sentence.
2 hrs

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: yes, could work. Asker can add adjective if needed depending on context.
6 hrs

agree  Yolanda Broad
7 hrs

agree  jfootnick: place worthy of a name. Marked and recorded. Place of interest
1 day 13 hrs
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41 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +5
little-known (rural/bucolic) spots


Explanation:
https://www.tripadvisor.com › ... › Things to Do in Chiang Mai › 8Adventures
Stray from the beaten path on an ATV tour of Chiang Mai's countryside - $113.27. ... can't reach and reveals little-known spots that are far from the beaten path.

https://www.stylist.co.uk/travel/top-10-inspiring-travel-des...
Nov 25, 2016 - While there's no denying that secluded beaches and little-known rural spots are always amazing to visit, there's something very alluring about a ...

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Note added at 22 hrs (2019-03-07 12:59:20 GMT)
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Most lieux- dits are places with 1-8 houses, or that used to have a house or farm in the distant past.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 22:13
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 44

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: not all lieux-dits are little known.
2 mins
  -> In this context, I think it's about those that are.

agree  Julia Burgess: Spots is nice and vague for the context. Perhaps tweak to "hidden spots" - if there's a need to seek them out, they must be hidden, right?
13 mins
  -> Thanks Julia. Not always hidden.

agree  Tony M: I think 'spots' can work well here, and it's the sort of word used a lot in tourism marketing; after that, you can put different adjectives with it to see which work best.
48 mins
  -> Thanks Tony

agree  Ph_B (X): with "spots", esp. for tourism. And just to add to your list: "secluded spots"?
56 mins
  -> Thanks Ph_B. "Secluded" might work too.

agree  Charles Davis: I suppose writeaway has a point, but I think "spots" is promising; maybe "out-of-the-way spots"? I wonder about "places of interest". // True, but the ones referred to here are apparently interesting enough to be worth putting in a guide and visiting.
1 hr
  -> Thanks Charles. The locals are aware enough of them to give them names and signposts, but many of them are of little more interest than that. (The spots, that is, not the locals.)

agree  AllegroTrans: I like the 'out of the way' spots suggestion: Don’t think 'bucolic' works for tourist blurb though
5 hrs
  -> Thanks. Yes, 'out of the way' is good and "bucolic" is a bit OTT for the tourists.

neutral  Richard George Elliott: A forest scattered with monuments and out-of-the-way spots?
6 hrs
  -> "Scattered" sounds rather odd.

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: agree with "spots" as a starter but not with most of the adjectives. Asker should be able to come up with one to suit their context.
7 hrs

neutral  Daryo: locally they are very well known - and marked on detailed maps. // "qui parsèment la forêt" => I see "rural" more like open fields ...
1 day 1 hr
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Reference comments


33 mins peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Definitely a dictionary term -worth checking

Reference information:
For starters:

R-C
lieudit ., pl lieux-dits /ljødi/ nom masculin
locality
■ au lieudit le Bouc étourdi : at the place known as the Bouc étourdi

Larousse
lieu-dit [ljødi] (pl lieux-dits)
nom masculin
[avec maisons] hamlet
[sans maisons] place
au lieu-dit La Folie at the place called La Folie

writeaway
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Ben Gaia
16 hrs
agree  Daryo
3 days 5 hrs
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