Restaurierung im Vorzustand

English translation: in its pre-restoration condition / in its condition prior to restoration

03:33 Apr 9, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / Description of paintings offered for sales at auctions
German term or phrase: Restaurierung im Vorzustand
Dear colleagues,

Unfortuntely, I don't have any particular context for this phrase. This is a description of a painting, stating its size, the material it is made of, the type of paints that have been used for its creation etc, and finally there is the following phrase: "anbei ist ein Foto vor der Restaurierung im Vorzustand". Am I right in understanding that a photo of the painting is enclosed, and this is a photo which shows what the painting looked like before it was restored?

Thanks a lot for expressing your opinion!
Anna Lekush
Russian Federation
Local time: 22:00
English translation:in its pre-restoration condition / in its condition prior to restoration
Explanation:
Your suggestion looks good. Alternatively, you might translate as "the attached/enclosed photograph shows the painting in its condition prior to restoration". The other notion involved here is that the <B>photograph</B> had been taken before the painting was restored. That being said, the German looks somewhat "doppelt gemoppelt" because "<B>vor</B> der Restaurierung" already implies "<B>Vor</B>zustand".
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Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 20:00
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5 +3pre-restoration state
Helen Shiner
3in its pre-restoration condition / in its condition prior to restoration
Steffen Walter


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vor der Restaurierung im Vorzustand
in its pre-restoration condition / in its condition prior to restoration


Explanation:
Your suggestion looks good. Alternatively, you might translate as "the attached/enclosed photograph shows the painting in its condition prior to restoration". The other notion involved here is that the <B>photograph</B> had been taken before the painting was restored. That being said, the German looks somewhat "doppelt gemoppelt" because "<B>vor</B> der Restaurierung" already implies "<B>Vor</B>zustand".

Steffen Walter
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pre-restoration state


Explanation:
This is the phrase generally used. I translate auction catalogues frequently (and consult them for research purposes).

Examples illustrating the conservation and restoration work done on flood-damaged frames are presented, as well as new mountings for Baroque gallery frames which have become necessary. Panels with text and illustrations show visitors their pre-restoration state and explain the various stages of the restoration process.

http://www.artdaily.com/indexv5.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=22349

It is attractive to believe that the NYHS's Raft copy is indeed a reduced copy of Cooke's lost large canvas. Levy, the Argus, the Medusa and Cooke spin a fascinating, romantic yarn of adventurous recklessness and cultural enthusiasm that captures well the spirit of the early American nation. And yet even this option is open to doubt. The execution of the copy—as much as we can tell in its current pre-restoration state—with its broad brushed sections and rough, grainy surfaces bears little resemblance to other known Cooke copies characterized by high finish, melded brushstroke, and meticulous attention to detail (unless, of course, Cooke tried to imitate Géricault's technical bravura?). After all, the attribution to Cooke is—as we saw—entirely circumstantial. So perhaps yet a third scenario suggests itself at this point, that of a mysterious, unknown master who may have been the author of Levy's Géricault copy.

http://www.19thc-artworldwide.org/spring_07/articles/newd_at...

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-04-09 07:48:18 GMT)
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state might just sound like a synonym for condition, but it is a term often very specifically used in art - see prints - 1st state, 2nd state, etc.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:00
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 275

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Henry Schroeder: I also prefer "state" to "condition"
47 mins
  -> Thanks, Henry - seems petty, but that's what said, isn't it?

agree  Ingrid Moore
13 hrs
  -> Thanks, Ingrid

agree  Textklick: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,12161,1224195,00... Interesting that they do not mention his hands, which I believe to be inconsistent in size, although my wife disagrees.
1 day 16 hrs
  -> Thanks, Chris - perhaps Michelangelo was the first Expressionist?! Might be to emphasize the hand with the stone. Lots of distortions are deliberate for narrative or perspective reasons. Happy Easter!
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