Buntmaler

English translation: colour painter

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German term or phrase:Buntmaler
English translation:colour painter
Entered by: Marc Svetov

10:01 Sep 12, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / Porcelain
German term or phrase: Buntmaler
"1765 waren von insgesamt 206 Malern immerhin noch 77 als Blaumaler tätig. Danach ist ein Rückgang zugunsten der Buntmaler festzustellen: Vor allem auch aufgrund der gewandelten Moden hatten inzwischen die Buntdekore Vorrang. Für die Gebrauchsware hielt man zwar an der Blaumalerei fest, setzte aber häufiger ungelerntes Personal (v.a. auch Frauen und Kinder) ein, was mitunter zu einem Qualitätsverlust führte."
Marc Svetov
United States
Local time: 13:42
colour painter
Explanation:
I only find one online reference for this term, in a book on Viennese Porcelain in the 18th C. - - please see the link below.

The term for 'Blaumaler' is 'blue painter', so this would make sense. I also post a link to a porcelain painter certificate in which the term 'blue painter' is mentioned.

‘NEUWIRTH, WALTRAUD Österreich / Austria / Autrice. Wiener Porzellan / Viennese Porcelain / Porcelaine de Vienne. Malernummern, Bossiererbuchstaben und -nummern, Weissdreher- und Kapseldrehnummern 1744 - 1864. Österreich. Markenlexikon für Kunstgewerbe.
Wien. Selbstverlag Dr. Waltraud Neuwirth. 1978. Original publisher's sewn paperback, pictorial frontcover, 24mo; 144pp. **index colour painters, index blue painters**, index gold polishers, index moulders, index moulders / turners, index white ware turners, index sagger turners, index stone cutters, index names. Text in German - French - English. Fine copy. Volume 4: Markenlexikon für Kunstgewerbe. ISBN: 3-900282-11-0.’
http://www.antiqbook.nl/boox/nij/26472.shtml


‘**Blue painters** decorate porcelain with the traditional blue porcelain colour before the porcelain is glazed..’
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:7b9xlY8NtaUJ:certsu...


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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-09-12 14:46:02 GMT)
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Alternative suggestion: overglaze painter

The difference between a ‘Buntmaler’ and a 'Blaumaler' is that the 'Buntmaler' paints on top of the glaze (overglaze), whereas the ‘Blaumaler’ paints before the plate is glazed (underglaze). The contemporary term for both seem to be 'overglaze painter' and 'underglaze painter' respectively.

‘Twice a year, in April and October, the Meissen Porcelain Manufactory invites the public to an Open Day on its working premises that runs from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. in each case. Virtually the whole of the Manufactory can be accessed during this period. In the course of the Open Day, throwers, modellers, ‘repairers’ and both **underglaze and overglaze painters** demonstrate the art of making Meissen Porcelain® at their various places of work, offering visitors an insight into the rich variety of forms and patterns used in Meissen®.’
http://friedrich.meissen.com/index.php?id=314&lang=1&tx_ttne...

‘We want to thank Roger for giving us the opportunity to "spread the word" about our little-known art form: **overglaze painting** on china...commonly known as "china painting".’
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/4164/porcelain.html

‘In 1672 he had all akae-ya (**overglaze painters**) move to one place, and this became known as Akae-machi. He restricted the number of akae-ya to a dozen or so, and made sure their techniques—everything from dye making to glaze preparation to picture ware **overglaze painting**—were passed in secret from one generation to the next.’
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia32/en/travel/travel01....


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Note added at 7 hrs (2009-09-12 17:37:18 GMT)
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Another option (perhaps): overglaze colour painter

I'm not too convinced myself, but I found a reference to an ‘underglaze blue painter’. And what's more, in the description of the plate is even mentioned a ‘red painter’.

‘Floral Plate with Imari Décor, porcelain, body w/ gilt and underglaze-blue edging, underglaze-blue blossoming boughs, iron-red, green, and gilt blossoms and foliage, sides and centre w/ underglaze-blue double rings, Ø 22,5 cm, rim min. scuffed, hanger, Vienna, Imperial Manufactory, underglaze-blue Austrian shield ca. 1765, **red painter** no. 20 Christian Kremser 1762-1787, **underglaze-blue painter** no. 8 Johann Hautzenberger 1754-1820, turner no. 8 Georg Clausner 1762-1785, (Ru).’
http://www.icollector.com/Floral-Plate-with-Imari-D-cor_i110...
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Annett Kottek (X)
United Kingdom
Grading comment
Thanks.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2polychrome painter
Barbara Wiebking
3 +2colour painter
Annett Kottek (X)
4polychrome decorator
Helen Shiner
1overglaze color painter
zwetschge
Summary of reference entries provided
Clobbering
Helen Shiner

Discussion entries: 4





  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
polychrome painter


Explanation:
Wäre noch eine Alternative.

Example sentence(s):
  • Another piece from the famous Regina factory in Gouda, Holland by the renowned polychrome painter Henk van Wensveen.
  • This artist was a master polychrome painter and has revealed his skill through the complexity of colors and design.

    Reference: http://www.goudadesign.co.uk/dutchdelftware5.html
    Reference: http://www.barakatgallery.com/store/index.cfm/FuseAction/Ite...
Barbara Wiebking
Germany
Local time: 19:42
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Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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Asker: Thanks.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Stephen Reader: www-ing 'polychrome porcelain decorator blue' (or words to that effect!) yields enough **native-Eng.** sites, see ref @ 'discussion entry'
1 hr
  -> Thanks!

agree  Annett Kottek (X): Yes, another possibility.
3 hrs
  -> Thanks!
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53 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
colour painter


Explanation:
I only find one online reference for this term, in a book on Viennese Porcelain in the 18th C. - - please see the link below.

The term for 'Blaumaler' is 'blue painter', so this would make sense. I also post a link to a porcelain painter certificate in which the term 'blue painter' is mentioned.

‘NEUWIRTH, WALTRAUD Österreich / Austria / Autrice. Wiener Porzellan / Viennese Porcelain / Porcelaine de Vienne. Malernummern, Bossiererbuchstaben und -nummern, Weissdreher- und Kapseldrehnummern 1744 - 1864. Österreich. Markenlexikon für Kunstgewerbe.
Wien. Selbstverlag Dr. Waltraud Neuwirth. 1978. Original publisher's sewn paperback, pictorial frontcover, 24mo; 144pp. **index colour painters, index blue painters**, index gold polishers, index moulders, index moulders / turners, index white ware turners, index sagger turners, index stone cutters, index names. Text in German - French - English. Fine copy. Volume 4: Markenlexikon für Kunstgewerbe. ISBN: 3-900282-11-0.’
http://www.antiqbook.nl/boox/nij/26472.shtml


‘**Blue painters** decorate porcelain with the traditional blue porcelain colour before the porcelain is glazed..’
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:7b9xlY8NtaUJ:certsu...


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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-09-12 14:46:02 GMT)
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Alternative suggestion: overglaze painter

The difference between a ‘Buntmaler’ and a 'Blaumaler' is that the 'Buntmaler' paints on top of the glaze (overglaze), whereas the ‘Blaumaler’ paints before the plate is glazed (underglaze). The contemporary term for both seem to be 'overglaze painter' and 'underglaze painter' respectively.

‘Twice a year, in April and October, the Meissen Porcelain Manufactory invites the public to an Open Day on its working premises that runs from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. in each case. Virtually the whole of the Manufactory can be accessed during this period. In the course of the Open Day, throwers, modellers, ‘repairers’ and both **underglaze and overglaze painters** demonstrate the art of making Meissen Porcelain® at their various places of work, offering visitors an insight into the rich variety of forms and patterns used in Meissen®.’
http://friedrich.meissen.com/index.php?id=314&lang=1&tx_ttne...

‘We want to thank Roger for giving us the opportunity to "spread the word" about our little-known art form: **overglaze painting** on china...commonly known as "china painting".’
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Village/4164/porcelain.html

‘In 1672 he had all akae-ya (**overglaze painters**) move to one place, and this became known as Akae-machi. He restricted the number of akae-ya to a dozen or so, and made sure their techniques—everything from dye making to glaze preparation to picture ware **overglaze painting**—were passed in secret from one generation to the next.’
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia32/en/travel/travel01....


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Note added at 7 hrs (2009-09-12 17:37:18 GMT)
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Another option (perhaps): overglaze colour painter

I'm not too convinced myself, but I found a reference to an ‘underglaze blue painter’. And what's more, in the description of the plate is even mentioned a ‘red painter’.

‘Floral Plate with Imari Décor, porcelain, body w/ gilt and underglaze-blue edging, underglaze-blue blossoming boughs, iron-red, green, and gilt blossoms and foliage, sides and centre w/ underglaze-blue double rings, Ø 22,5 cm, rim min. scuffed, hanger, Vienna, Imperial Manufactory, underglaze-blue Austrian shield ca. 1765, **red painter** no. 20 Christian Kremser 1762-1787, **underglaze-blue painter** no. 8 Johann Hautzenberger 1754-1820, turner no. 8 Georg Clausner 1762-1785, (Ru).’
http://www.icollector.com/Floral-Plate-with-Imari-D-cor_i110...


Annett Kottek (X)
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12
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Thanks.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Shiner: This is the conclusion I am coming to, too: http://www.beyars.com/kunstlexikon/lexikon_1486.html
1 min
  -> Thanks, Helen. Kriddle's suggestion seems to be the more established term.

agree  zwetschge: porcelain color painting pot; http://www.clickindia.com/detail.php?id=2322116
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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
overglaze color painter


Explanation:
http://www.beyars.com/kunstlexikon/lexikon_1486.html
Buntmaler , alte Bezeichnung für Porzellanmaler, die mit * Muffelfarben arbeiteten. Maler, die * Scharffeuerfarben benützten, hießen wegen ihrer bevorzugten Verwendung von * Kobaltblau * Blaumaler.
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http://www.beyars.com/kunstlexikon/lexikon_6128.html
The tour ends at the workplace of the overglaze painter demonstrating "flower painting" or "Indian painting".
http://www.meissen-tour.de/
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/435921/overglaze-c...
siehe "muffle"...
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http://www.1-800-porcelain.com/show-cases.html
Ob das Engl. nun so paßt, sollte sich mal ein Native Speaker ansehen. Danke ;-)

zwetschge
Local time: 19:42
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1 day 23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
polychrome decorator


Explanation:
It seems that the term widely in use is simply 'decorator'.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Giles_(porcelain_decorato...

http://www.collectorscircle.com/bohemian/porcelain/marks_tab...

http://e-limoges.com/makers.html

For polychrome decoration, see

https://www.btowstore.com/epages/Store3_Shop2396.sf/en_GB/?O...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A0rWiF0TE1UC&pg=RA1-PA237...



Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:42
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Reference comments


1 day 23 hrs
Reference: Clobbering

Reference information:
Quote from Savage and Newman's Dictionary of Ceramics:

Over-painting in enamels on previously decorated decorated porcelain, first practised by Dutch decorators who used sparsely decorated porcelain, usually in blue underglaze, from China, Japan and Meissen. One German Hausmaler, J. F. Ferner, did similar work. Blue-and-white porcelain was thus decorated with red and green enamels and gilding in England early in the 19th century when oriental blue-and-white porcelain had become temporarily unfashionable.

Helen Shiner
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