gesellschaftlich und sozial

English translation: societal and social

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German term or phrase:	gesellschaftlich und sozial
English translation:	societal and social
Entered by:	Jon Reynolds

12:40 Nov 9, 2009

German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting

German term or phrase: gesellschaftlich und sozial

"Besonders interessant wäre eine Nennung des Auftraggebers gewesen, welcher uns wichtige Informationen über die gesellschaftlichen und sozialen Hintergründe geliefert hätte". I'm a bit puzzled as to what the difference between the two is.

Jon Reynolds KudoZ activity Questions: 82 (none open) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 33 United Kingdom
Local time: 17:23

societal and social

Explanation:
http://www.socio.mta.hu/societal_and_social_policy/

http://www.eza.org/publications/seminar-reports/equal-opport...

Different contexts but nonetheless..

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Note added at 9 mins (2009-11-09 12:50:00 GMT)
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I presume you are translating art history based on its social context, which is my kind of art history, and such distinctions are quite normal. Societal is relating to society and social is more to do with social/interpersonal interrelations/conventions.

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Note added at 14 mins (2009-11-09 12:54:46 GMT)
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http://pgstudy.nottingham.ac.uk/postgraduate-courses/learnin...

This explains the distinction between the terms:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y98blUTkUHsC&pg=PA2&lpg=P...

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2009-11-10 17:51:43 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Jon

Selected response from:

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:23

Grading comment

Thanks Helen!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +10

societal and social

Helen Shiner

3 +1

public and social

Mark Cole

overall and personal social background

Slindon

social rank and status

Kerstin Green

Discussion entries: 8

Steffen Walter

Germany

Done

14:19 Nov 11, 2009

Thanks for your feedback, Jon - I've just edited the field accordingly.

Jon Reynolds

United Kingdom

ASKER

13:06 Nov 11, 2009

Hi Steffen, thanks for your help. Yes I would appreciate it if you could also change the main field to art/literary. Thanks!

Steffen Walter

Germany

@ Helen & Jon

18:14 Nov 10, 2009

Thank you for pointing this out, Helen. Jon, do you want me to change the main field to "Art/Literary", too?

Helen Shiner

United Kingdom

@ Steffen

17:51 Nov 10, 2009

I think Jon had it as Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting originally.

Steffen Walter

Germany

Edited category

17:47 Nov 10, 2009

Hi Jon, I've changed the "detailed field" back to "Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting" so that the question is again grouped under "Social Sciences - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting".

Jon Reynolds

United Kingdom

ASKER

17:18 Nov 10, 2009

Sorry for any confusion on this - it is referring to a piece of art which is why I had listed it under arts/crafts/painting. Somebody called "writeaway" changed it without bothering to consult me and I have no idea to change it back. So thanks to everyone for their input and sorry for those who thought it was about the corporate world.

Jon Reynolds

United Kingdom

ASKER

09:35 Nov 10, 2009

Sorry, only just seen this. I think it is pretty definitely referring to the work itself, rather than to the artist. Thanks for the input!

Stephen Reader

societal

13:01 Nov 9, 2009

Hi, Jon, Phew, more context? "vorab:" Is this an art patron & do 'we' want to know more about the patron's background or rather the artist's?
Dinstinctions: the seeming double-definition here might be just that. Without more context it's hard to say what distinction might be meant.
One could be gesellschaftlich as 'societal' (about society, any soc.; cf. use of 'contemporaneous' to avoid poss. confusion with senses of 'contemporary') vs 'social' (in its weighted sense, cf. anti-social, but I can't see that making sense here).
Certainly "gesellschaftlich" could imply social position (cf. "Stand/Rang" in earlier qn.; DIE "feine Gesellschaft") with a slant towards "what company one keeps" /what circles did (patron or artist) move in; and "sozial" might more directly imply economic status rather than 'traffic'. But all very hazy.
Hintergründe: those of a depicted scene, perhaps?

Answers

9 mins confidence:

social rank and status

Explanation:
One option to convey the slight difference between the two.

Kerstin Green
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:23
Native speaker of:

German

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

public and social

Explanation:
6 of one and half-a-dozen of the other: but if you are talking about a firm's reputation, etc., it may just work.

Mark Cole
Local time: 17:23
Native speaker of:

English

1 day 4 hrs confidence:

overall and personal social background

Explanation:
naming the client (or whatever) would have supplied vital information on the overall and personal social background (or context).
Or words to this effect. I think we have to get away from the
'social and societal' thing

Slindon
Germany
Local time: 18:23
Native speaker of:

English

8 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +10

societal and social

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:23
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 275

Grading comment

Thanks Helen!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Steffen Walter

6 mins

-> Thanks, Steffen

agree

makhno: I like this, social and societal

17 mins

-> Thanks, makhno

agree

Lirka

18 mins

-> Thanks, lirka

agree

writeaway: is the current way to solve it. sort of the 'buzz' solution. /yes, it's current stuff. I encounter this in all 3 source languages. and the EN solution is virtually always the same.

1 hr

-> Thanks, writeaway - probably rooted in new forms of social theory.

agree

DFTS (X)

2 hrs

-> Thanks, Dave122

agree

Rolf Keiser

3 hrs

-> Thanks, Goldcoaster

agree

Stephen Reader: Definitely Agree (cf. me at "Discussion") but once again we're guessing at narrower context, Jon, R U out there?

3 hrs

-> Thanks, Stephen

agree

Sabine Akabayov, PhD

3 hrs

-> Thanks, sibsab

agree

Nicole Backhaus

8 hrs

-> Thanks, Nicole

agree

British Diana: thanks, I never knew the difference before...

18 hrs

-> Thanks

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