erfunden

English translation: rediscovered / re-evaluated

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German term or phrase:erfunden
English translation:rediscovered / re-evaluated
Entered by: Jessica Klingberg

14:47 Aug 29, 2012
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / History
German term or phrase: erfunden
"Ich spreche immer gerne über diese Jahrhundertausstellung, die 1906 stattfand... Und dann haben sie diese Künstler gewissermaßen erfunden, die vorher alle regional definiert waren, der eine kam aus Karlsruhe, der andere kam aus Bayern. Hans von Marees wurde erfunden, Feuerbach neu inthronisiert und die Romantiker, Adolph Menzel in die richtige Richtung geschoben und so weiter."

When translating this segment, I want to use "discovered" for "erfunden". "Erfunden" however, means something else: contrived, made up, fabricated. These definitions do not fit in the context. Hans von Marees was certainly not "fabricated", he lived 1837-1887 and was "erfunden" at the above exhibition in 1906.

Any ideas as to what is meant? Many thanks!
Jessica Klingberg
United States
Local time: 11:51
rediscovered / re-evaluated
Explanation:
I think either of these might work - see my discussion notes.

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Note added at 34 mins (2012-08-29 15:22:25 GMT)
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Here's another famous case of an artist's work and career being rediscovered, re-evaluated and given alternate significance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_fame_of_El_Greco

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Note added at 3 days18 hrs (2012-09-02 08:51:02 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Jessica - glad to have helped.
Selected response from:

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:51
Grading comment
Helen's explanation was very much in line with the content of the document I was translating. I have to agree that Hans von Marées was already known prior to the 1906 exhibition, so "invented" or "discovered" would not have worked. I chose to use "rediscovered" for the first instance, and von Marées work having been "reevaluated" for the second instance. Thank you very much to everyone for your input and help.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2discover
Susan Welsh
4 +2rediscovered / re-evaluated
Helen Shiner
3 +2invent
mill2
4 -1created/built
thefastshow
3unveiled
Ramey Rieger (X)


Discussion entries: 8





  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
invent


Explanation:
Your text does say "gewissermaßen" - the point I think is that formerly regional artists were invented or cast as world-class artists

mill2
Local time: 17:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Steffen Walter
5 mins
  -> thanks

neutral  Helen Shiner: No, the man had had a successful career - re-cast might work.
13 mins
  -> re-cast is good, yes.

agree  Horst Huber (X): "Invented" is the word; "gewissermaßen" is important, "in a way", "a manner of speaking" or something like that.
35 mins
  -> thanks

agree  Usch Pilz
1 hr
  -> thanks

disagree  Edwin Miles: Sorry, but invented just doesn't work at all in this context, even with that added "gewissermaßen"....
5 hrs
  -> thanks for your opinion
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
discover


Explanation:
I don't see why you can't use "discover," which is translation for "erfinden." See Duden synonyms: entdecken, usw.

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Note added at 11 mins (2012-08-29 14:59:11 GMT)
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correction: "a translation" :-)


    Reference: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/erfinden
Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 11:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I don't think this is strong enough for what actually happened. But rediscovered, reframed, etc. would work.
8 mins
  -> Thanks, Helen. I defer to your vast knowledge of the subject matter!

agree  Pauline Alexiou
19 hrs
  -> Thanks, Pauline

agree  Jim Tucker (X)
1 day 17 hrs
  -> Thanks, Jim
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
created/built


Explanation:
in very simple words to me this is what happened according to the text (if you choose not to stay with the original "invented" - erfunden even sounds sort of unusual in German in this context):

...and then they sort of created/built these artists who before were all only of a regional importance.One came from Karlsruhe etc. (you could use your favored "discovered" when erfunden is used for the second time)



thefastshow
Germany
Local time: 17:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: German

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Helen Shiner: built an artist - out of cardboard?/No, in the name of German nationalism, but not 'built' at all.
5 mins
  -> yes, indeed Ms. Shiner (yawn) what a very well picked analogy.. built brick by art critic's/curators brick in the name of marketing, commercialisation, and legacy building so to speak
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
unveiled


Explanation:
came out of the closet, so to speak

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 17:51
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
rediscovered / re-evaluated


Explanation:
I think either of these might work - see my discussion notes.

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Note added at 34 mins (2012-08-29 15:22:25 GMT)
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Here's another famous case of an artist's work and career being rediscovered, re-evaluated and given alternate significance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthumous_fame_of_El_Greco

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Note added at 3 days18 hrs (2012-09-02 08:51:02 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Jessica - glad to have helped.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 275
Grading comment
Helen's explanation was very much in line with the content of the document I was translating. I have to agree that Hans von Marées was already known prior to the 1906 exhibition, so "invented" or "discovered" would not have worked. I chose to use "rediscovered" for the first instance, and von Marées work having been "reevaluated" for the second instance. Thank you very much to everyone for your input and help.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edwin Miles: Yes, "were rediscovered, in a sense...". This is the most fitting "official" suggestion so far, although I think your suggestion of "re-cast" in your response to Mill is even closer to the mark.
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, Edwin - perhaps one suggestion would work for the first instance and the other for the second one.

agree  Rebecca Garber: rediscovered and then recast for the second instance reads quite well.
22 hrs
  -> Thanks, Rebecca
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