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German to English translations [PRO] Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / philosophy
German term or phrase:das „beflügelnde Dritte“
Die hier vorgebrachten Anmerkungen zu den Werken der Künstler vermögen lediglich einen kleinen Bruchteil dessen anzudeuten, was der Philosoph Reinhard Knodt als das nicht kommunizierbare „beflügelnde Dritte“ beschrieb....Kunst kann nicht wirklich „kommuniziert“ werden...
Explanation: I think the 1st and 2nd aspects may be the self-referential, autonomous aspect (internal art-related concerns) and its addressing of its audience. The 3rd then is this unquantifiable, exalting, transcendance-inspiring aspect. Please see my earlier comments in the discussion box.
An attempt at a rewrite without the full context and to give an explanation. I don't suggest you unpack it quite as much as me. Anyway, hope it helps.
Thanks for all the help - I particularly like "unquantifiable" and as I already said, the idea of transcending reality. 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
Though I think the text is trying to individuate the parts rather than refer to the synthesis or synergy created (although it evidently exists). Art-autonomous aspect, beholder's share and the capacity to exalt, lift one beyond the purely visual.
Wager the intention is as simple as that, plus the exalting/inspiring/transcendent potential with Knodt's phrasing as backing. Gimme a word or phrase for 'that which is greater than the sum of its parts'. Synthesis is one, but probably too open unless accomp'd x an adj. or two ('that transcendent synthesis', 'that potential of t. s.')?
oa_xxx (X)
Germany
23:54 Sep 27, 2012
Thanks for the further information and explanations. See why you chose sense now but taste, touch, smell... I guess I would offer some of the good ideas from Helen and co. and ask the client (and dont really think its worth writing to Knodt for some brief descriptions of an artist's work ;) Maybe if it was an indepth academic text and you were getting paid incredibly well...) Good luck - would be nice to know what you use/is used in the end if you get a chance.
explains that the concept is taken from a Vortrag at the opening of an art exhibition "Funkhaus - die Zeit der Kommunikation" - I have already researched more than my little brain can handle, short of ordering the man's writing and taking a year's sabbatical to read the material. Not much on the web explains what might be meant. Thanks for all your help, Helen (and Stephen)! I might not have time to write to Mr. Knodt, but I might try...
I am guessing again, but I imagine that it is the transcendent third aspect (position) - unseen, unknowable - involved in art's communication with its audience (the two other positions, if you like).
This is so specific to Knodt's work, I would suggest, that I think you are going to have to research what he meant, or go back to the client/author for clarification. There really is not enough in the extract you give for us to go on. Sometimes 'Dritte' is used in the sense of 'the Other', so Stephen's element, or aspect might work better, but I really feel I am guessing in the dark here.
it might be more of an "element" than a "sense" (but why "third", when there are no other two mentioned?) I assumed it referred to seeing and hearing with the third means of communication being another form of perception...I like the idea of "transcending" (I am aware of the connotations of transcententalism). Until now, I was not at all familiar with Knodt, although he studied with H.-G. Gadamer, who was also one of my mother's (and my aunt's) profs. Irrelevant, the point is this is not an excerpt of Knodt's writings, but a quote used as an introduction to brief descriptions of some artists' work.
oa_xxx (X)
Germany
PS
21:46 Sep 27, 2012
agree with Helen's suggestions re. beflügelnde and possibly rewriting the sentence! Maybe you could even try writing to Mr. Knodt ;) http://knodt.blogspot.de/
oa_xxx (X)
Germany
21:44 Sep 27, 2012
Why "sense"? Have to admit third sense doesnt mean much to me! element as Stephen suggests maybe, even dimension but that might be too specific/have too many other connotations. Has the author been so good as to mention the work by Knodt that this comes from?
W/Helen; meanwhile, wilfully ignoring Knodt's backgrd etc., & not knowing whether author sees artist or viewers as the "zu beflügelnde" - or the art - might simply 'the inspiring third element' (or ... factor) suit? Dep. on how precisely author uses lang. or not, even 'the third factor of inspiration' (or, w/Helen, 'of transcendence')? Context, #, #. / Nighty-night, All - S.
Just a thought: given that Knodt's PhD was on Nietzsche's aesthetics and metaphysics, I would be tempted to go in the direction of 'transcendence' or something similar. The 'transcendent third' sense - if that is what the third refers to - we don't have enough context here. Though please not transcendental! I do realise that it is really 'transcendence-inspiring' (literal though ugly). Will give it more thought. I don't think 'spiritually uplifting' is quite right either.
Explanation: I'm guessing this is what is being implied here: two-thirds of Knodt's work can be expressed to the public; then there is the "elusive third" which cannot be communicated to the public. Always be very careful with writings from the art world!
Jim Stuber (X) Local time: 18:19 Native speaker of: English
Explanation: No doubt a tricky proposition but one that's worth having a go at..
The comments made here about the works of artists are merely capable of expressing a fraction of what the philosopher Reinhard Knodt referred to as the inexpressible "quality of exaltation " .. the impossibility of putting art into words.
the third aspect of art's address, its inherent capacity to exalt
Explanation: I think the 1st and 2nd aspects may be the self-referential, autonomous aspect (internal art-related concerns) and its addressing of its audience. The 3rd then is this unquantifiable, exalting, transcendance-inspiring aspect. Please see my earlier comments in the discussion box.
An attempt at a rewrite without the full context and to give an explanation. I don't suggest you unpack it quite as much as me. Anyway, hope it helps.
Helen Shiner United Kingdom Local time: 00:19 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 275
Grading comment
Thanks for all the help - I particularly like "unquantifiable" and as I already said, the idea of transcending reality.
15 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
that potential / power of transcendent synthesis which Knodt referred to as...
Explanation: Word or phrase for 'that which is greater than the sum of its parts'. Synthesis is one, but probably too open unless accomp'd x an adj. or two ('that transcendent synthesis', 'that potential of t. s.')?
Stephen Reader Local time: 01:19 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 115
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