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Haubenfladen(brot)

English translation: concave (Stone Age) flatbread

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German term or phrase:Haubenfladen(brot)
English translation:concave (Stone Age) flatbread
Entered by: Barbara B. (X)

07:44 Feb 9, 2010
German to English translations [PRO]
Marketing - History / Geschichte des Brotes
German term or phrase: Haubenfladen(brot)
Ich übersetze Info-Tafeln für einen "Weg des Brotes"; "Haubenfladen" ist eine Brotform aus der Steinzeit: Getreidebrei wurde auf grosse Kieselsteine gestrichen und in einer Feuermulde gebacken. Weiss jemand, wie diese Brote auf Englisch heissen??
Barbara B. (X)
Local time: 09:03
(Stone Age) flatbread
Explanation:
Stone Age flatbreads - the name reflecting the solid, pancake-style bread that was produced.

http://www.3-2-1-pizza.eu/en-gb/pg_108.html :

Early Palaeolithic Age ( 45.000 - 9.000 before Christ )
The people of those days didn't know anything about agriculture, but
during excavations, one has found grinding stones from the early Palaeolithic Age.
Our Stone Age ancestors used these grinding stones to grind wild cereals and
roots rich in starch - this enabled them to eat the pulp or bake flatbread on hot stones.
Findings indicate that these stones were quite commonly placed in a pit together with
hot glowing ashes, which served as what could be called, the forerunner of the oven.

http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2009/12/history-of-bread-ba... :

History of Bread Baking
Bread has been an important staple since Stone Age Farmers created the first flat bread. A rough porridge was mixed together and spread thinly over hot stones to form soft pancake-like bread.


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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-02-09 21:55:14 GMT)
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If the shape of the bread is important here, I would call it a 'concave flatbread', which, although not a standard term, it would reflect the fact that the bread is baked over a convex stone, hence forming a concave, bonnet-shaped bread.

A photo of a concave flatbread can be found here, under January 16, 2005
http://dresese.thehyatts.net/archives/cat_food.html
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Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 09:03
Grading comment
Thank you jeux_de_mots, your added note made it! Indeed, the shape of the bread is essential in this sentence, so "concave" helped me get it right.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1(Stone Age) flatbread
Sarah Bessioud
2dome-shaped (bread) baked on flat stones
Elisabeth Kissel
Summary of reference entries provided
Alison MacG

Discussion entries: 1





  

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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
dome-shaped (bread) baked on flat stones


Explanation:
leider nicht sehr elegant, sorry, aber 'dome-shaped' is der Ausdruck fuer Brot in der Form eine Haube. Vielleicht hilft es dir ja weiter...

Elisabeth Kissel
Australia
Local time: 17:03
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: Es handelt sich um ein flaches Brot in Form einer Haube oder eben konkav... S. Bilder in den Reference Links von Alison.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sarah Bessioud: I am not sure if dome-shaped is correct here - for me, dome-shaped breads are breads that have risen in the centre - something that flatbreads do not do. The bread was not baked on flat stones either, but on rounded stones - hence the distinctive shape.
1 hr
  -> Da hast du natuerlich Recht - ich verstehe auch nicht genau,wie das 'flat' dann dazugehoert, denn entweder ist das Brot flach oder haubenfoermig - ich wollte eigentlich nur den Ausdruck fuer 'Haube' beisteuern.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
(Stone Age) flatbread


Explanation:
Stone Age flatbreads - the name reflecting the solid, pancake-style bread that was produced.

http://www.3-2-1-pizza.eu/en-gb/pg_108.html :

Early Palaeolithic Age ( 45.000 - 9.000 before Christ )
The people of those days didn't know anything about agriculture, but
during excavations, one has found grinding stones from the early Palaeolithic Age.
Our Stone Age ancestors used these grinding stones to grind wild cereals and
roots rich in starch - this enabled them to eat the pulp or bake flatbread on hot stones.
Findings indicate that these stones were quite commonly placed in a pit together with
hot glowing ashes, which served as what could be called, the forerunner of the oven.

http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2009/12/history-of-bread-ba... :

History of Bread Baking
Bread has been an important staple since Stone Age Farmers created the first flat bread. A rough porridge was mixed together and spread thinly over hot stones to form soft pancake-like bread.


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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-02-09 21:55:14 GMT)
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If the shape of the bread is important here, I would call it a 'concave flatbread', which, although not a standard term, it would reflect the fact that the bread is baked over a convex stone, hence forming a concave, bonnet-shaped bread.

A photo of a concave flatbread can be found here, under January 16, 2005
http://dresese.thehyatts.net/archives/cat_food.html


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatbread
Sarah Bessioud
Germany
Local time: 09:03
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7
Grading comment
Thank you jeux_de_mots, your added note made it! Indeed, the shape of the bread is essential in this sentence, so "concave" helped me get it right.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jumplanguage: I go with "concave flatbread" - or "convex" if you turn it the other way round.
23 hrs
  -> Thank you Jumplanguage
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Reference comments


1 day 3 hrs
Reference

Reference information:
I have found both "Schalenbrot" and "Becher" as alternatives to "Haubenbrot". I still don't know what the English equivalent would be, but perhaps this might help someone else with another idea.

This site also has a relevant picture:
Eine der anderen vielfältigen Fladenbrotarten der damaligen Zeit war das Brot des Pfahlbauers, der seinen Brei über einen heißen ovalen Stein gezogen hat. So entstand das sogenannte Schalen- oder Haubenbrot.
http://www.kondiback.de/brotgeschichte.html

Geschichte: Das Steinbackofenbacken hat eine sehr lange Tradition. Man nimmt an, dass es vor 5000 Jahren schon mit der Gerste in Grubenwohnungen gebacken wurde. Im offenen Feuer oder auf heißen Steinen. Wegen seiner eigentümlichen Gestalt nannte man sie dann "Die Becher" oder Schalenbrote.
http://www.black-and-green.de/index.php?Itemid=1&id=211&opti...

There is a clearer picture here:
Haubenfladen aus der jüngeren Steinzeit als "Breikonserve"
(Deutsches Brotmuseum Ulm)
http://www.univie.ac.at/nutrigenomics/teaching/vo_kulturgesc...

Alison MacG
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks Alison for the references. See note to jeux_de_mots and solution chosen.

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