Ritterzeit

English translation: Age of Knights

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German term or phrase:Ritterzeit
English translation:Age of Knights
Entered by: CMFTrier

15:51 Jan 31, 2013
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History
German term or phrase: Ritterzeit
I'm translating a Sat Nav programme which gives information about sights etc on Malta.

The term 'Ritterzeit' pops up fairly often, but with no reference to which Order of Knights. I considered 'the days/time/era of the Knights' but none of these sound really very natural - perhaps some of you have better ideas?

Here are some sample sentences where the word occurs:

Die Auberge d'Angleterre stammt aus der Ritterzeit – dies ist durch eine Marmortafel an der Hauswand gekennzeichnet.

Von den erhaltenen oder wieder aufgebauten Gebäuden aus der Ritterzeit, die alle nur von außen betrachtet werden dürfen, ist das ehemalige Ordenshospital, das Hospital of the Order am eindrucksvollsten.

Thanks in advance for all your help!
CMFTrier
Local time: 15:48
Middle Ages, medieval period, chivalric age
Explanation:
Any of the above would do, and will link to knights in a lot of people's minds.
You could also use "feudal period", but all of the medieval historians will tell you why that is inaccurate, and I would be first in line. :)

Age of Knights is also a possibility.

Depending on the frequency with which Ritterzeit appears, I would use any and all of the above.

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-31 17:49:26 GMT)
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Susan Reynolds, *Fiefs and Vassals: The Medieval Evidence Reinterpreted* 1994

The problem with the term "feudalism" is that it describes one type of hierarchical power structure that was not only not universal throughout Europe, it was not even a dominant form for establishing power relations.
The manorial system, in which serfs worked the land for nobles, is not based on fiefs or vassalage, but land owner-servant relationships, and there was no hierarchical linkage of vassals/fiefs extending from the manor through various noble levels to the king.

The term itself comes from a Roman text, the *Libri Feodorum*, which was compiled in 11th C Lombardy about an academic argument revolving around land responsibilities.
The terms (fief and vassal) were pulled out of the text by 16thC French lawyers, who declared the text Roman legal history (it's not), and applied it as an equivalent to their current system of nobility, peasants, and everyone else.
Jump to the 19thC, when scholarship on the medieval period starts, and the English academics adopted the French standards lock, stock, and barrel. The French, in the mean time, had translated the terms into strict legal meanings for land ownership. These strictly defined terms were not translated by the historians, who proceeded to apply these terms to land ownership across centuries and countries.

In the late 20thC, historians started looking at the power relationships and discovered that the "feudal system" is a house of cards that never actually worked and is actually an obstacle to understanding how actual power relationships worked.
Feudalism doesn't explain the difference in England between villein and serf or why one was free and one was not. (Jus Prime Nocte, the lord's right to have sex with his serfs on her wedding night is, btw, an invention of the 19thC designed to prove that the Middle Ages were barbaric and the Renaissance was wonderful.)
Feudalism doesn't explain the Kürfürsten in Germany, or why some cities owed allegiance/tax to local bishops and others to the king/emperor.
Nor does it explain why the systems change radically over time. The actual role of knights in society is incredibly dynamic, both temporally and geographically, ranging form thugs to gentlement, warriors to soldiers to duelists. Feudalism cannot explain the temporal changes in the roles of powerful and the powerless with respect to their societies.
The list goes on, country by country, as to why the local systems do not fit the feudal model.

So, instead of using a model that started out as an academic debate, medieval historians refer to "power relations/relationships" and get a lot further. It's easier to talk about something when you don't have to spend a chapter explaining why your data is exceptional and doesn't fit the model. And the data become more interesting when you don't have to start from a point in which the social group you are studying obviously didn't understand the feudal system and got their power structures wrong, and thus massage your data to fit a system imposed on it from 5-10 centuries distance.

Hope this is helpful.
Selected response from:

Rebecca Garber
Local time: 09:48
Grading comment
I think I'm going with 'Age of Knights' (and a few other options throughout the text), which was first suggested here. Thank you - also for your detailed explanation of terms!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2Middle Ages, medieval period, chivalric age
Rebecca Garber
4age of chivalry
Claudia Kirchner
3 +1Knights of Malta Period (Era)
Michael Martin, MA
3Age of Chivalry
NGK
2early/late Middle Ages/days of Knights and Damsels
Ramey Rieger (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
Info
Kim Metzger

Discussion entries: 7





  

Answers


9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Age of Chivalry


Explanation:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Age-Chivalry-History-Today/dp/1855...

NGK
United States
Local time: 08:48
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 55
Notes to answerer
Asker: Wow, I guess you and Claudia had the same idea at the same time! Do you think 'chivalry' would really work, especially as the dates given seem later than what is normally referred to as the 'age of chivalry'?

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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
early/late Middle Ages/days of Knights and Damsels


Explanation:
Perhaps you can vary. Should the text be romantic/historic? Then there would be several options. Are there dates given for when the buildings/castles/cloisters/churches were built?
Good luck!

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-31 17:31:19 GMT)
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Maybe you should use a completely different phrase, now that the era has been narrowed down to AFTER the Middle Ages, simply "in the early sixteenth century"?

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 15:48
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 41
Notes to answerer
Asker: I don't think the text needs to have a particularly romantic tone - it is simply a short text that will appear on a Sat Nav when the tourist is looking at maps of the area. Re your answer: Days of Knights, or days of THE Knights? As we're talking about a specific Order..?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kim Metzger: Knights and Damsels? Naw. And, yes, there are dates given. Just read the question./Die Auberge d'Angleterre stammt aus der Ritterzeit
1 hr
  -> Well, if you see a date anywhere......

neutral  Max Hellwig: Disagree with Middle Ages, see my discussion entry. Days of knights and damsels might be a bit to romantic, but then the term Ritterzeit has some romantic connotation due to the context it comes from.
20 hrs
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
age of chivalry


Explanation:
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/english/nawest/content/overv...

"The period is also described as an “age of chivalry.” The code of chivalry stressed gentility, generosity, concern for the powerless, and a capacity for experiencing selfless and passionate romantic love."

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-31 17:42:42 GMT)
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Since the order of the Knights of St. John was established in the 16th century "age of chivalry" came to my mind; maybe you could paraphrase it


    Reference: http://www.wwnorton.com/college/english/nawest/content/overv...
Claudia Kirchner
Austria
Local time: 15:48
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
Notes to answerer
Asker: Wow, I guess you and ntext had the same idea at the same time! Do you think 'chivalry' would really work, especially as the dates given seem later than what is normally referred to as the 'age of chivalry'?

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Middle Ages, medieval period, chivalric age


Explanation:
Any of the above would do, and will link to knights in a lot of people's minds.
You could also use "feudal period", but all of the medieval historians will tell you why that is inaccurate, and I would be first in line. :)

Age of Knights is also a possibility.

Depending on the frequency with which Ritterzeit appears, I would use any and all of the above.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-31 17:49:26 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Susan Reynolds, *Fiefs and Vassals: The Medieval Evidence Reinterpreted* 1994

The problem with the term "feudalism" is that it describes one type of hierarchical power structure that was not only not universal throughout Europe, it was not even a dominant form for establishing power relations.
The manorial system, in which serfs worked the land for nobles, is not based on fiefs or vassalage, but land owner-servant relationships, and there was no hierarchical linkage of vassals/fiefs extending from the manor through various noble levels to the king.

The term itself comes from a Roman text, the *Libri Feodorum*, which was compiled in 11th C Lombardy about an academic argument revolving around land responsibilities.
The terms (fief and vassal) were pulled out of the text by 16thC French lawyers, who declared the text Roman legal history (it's not), and applied it as an equivalent to their current system of nobility, peasants, and everyone else.
Jump to the 19thC, when scholarship on the medieval period starts, and the English academics adopted the French standards lock, stock, and barrel. The French, in the mean time, had translated the terms into strict legal meanings for land ownership. These strictly defined terms were not translated by the historians, who proceeded to apply these terms to land ownership across centuries and countries.

In the late 20thC, historians started looking at the power relationships and discovered that the "feudal system" is a house of cards that never actually worked and is actually an obstacle to understanding how actual power relationships worked.
Feudalism doesn't explain the difference in England between villein and serf or why one was free and one was not. (Jus Prime Nocte, the lord's right to have sex with his serfs on her wedding night is, btw, an invention of the 19thC designed to prove that the Middle Ages were barbaric and the Renaissance was wonderful.)
Feudalism doesn't explain the Kürfürsten in Germany, or why some cities owed allegiance/tax to local bishops and others to the king/emperor.
Nor does it explain why the systems change radically over time. The actual role of knights in society is incredibly dynamic, both temporally and geographically, ranging form thugs to gentlement, warriors to soldiers to duelists. Feudalism cannot explain the temporal changes in the roles of powerful and the powerless with respect to their societies.
The list goes on, country by country, as to why the local systems do not fit the feudal model.

So, instead of using a model that started out as an academic debate, medieval historians refer to "power relations/relationships" and get a lot further. It's easier to talk about something when you don't have to spend a chapter explaining why your data is exceptional and doesn't fit the model. And the data become more interesting when you don't have to start from a point in which the social group you are studying obviously didn't understand the feudal system and got their power structures wrong, and thus massage your data to fit a system imposed on it from 5-10 centuries distance.

Hope this is helpful.

Rebecca Garber
Local time: 09:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 23
Grading comment
I think I'm going with 'Age of Knights' (and a few other options throughout the text), which was first suggested here. Thank you - also for your detailed explanation of terms!
Notes to answerer
Asker: I have to admit I'm not an historian, so I'm not uptodate on the discussions about terminology... would "feudal" be so wrong? In the reference posted by Kim below, I found the following statement: " Catherine of Aragon was the daughter of Emperor Charles V of Aragon, to whom the Maltese islands belonged, until they were given by a feudal agreement to the Knights in 1530." So do you think 'feudal' might be appropriate here after all? I'd love to hear an explanation from you, as a 'real' historian! :-)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edwin Miles
6 mins
  -> Thanks, Edwin :-)

agree  Birgit Gläser: I'd probably go with "medieval times"
23 mins
  -> That's also the name of a horrible chain of restaurants with live "jousting" in the US. But it would get the point across. :-)

agree  BrigitteHilgner
23 mins
  -> Danke, Brigitte :-)

neutral  philgoddard: It was built in the 16th century, which was after the end of the middle ages.
49 mins
  -> When the early modernist agree as to when their period began, the medievalists will agree on when theirs ended. Which might sound flip, but a lot depends on geography and how exactly you define medieval/renaissance.

disagree  Max Hellwig: Yes, Phil. Also, as I stated above, Ritterzeit does not commonly refer to the middle ages.
20 hrs
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Knights of Malta Period (Era)


Explanation:
My solution to the historical accuracy problem. My normal thinking is that it's inappropriate for translators to "improve" a source text but I'll make an exception here..

"Auberge d'Angleterre hails from the Knights of Malta Period (Era)

...or "from Knights of Malta days"

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 09:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 74

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Max Hellwig: assuming Knights of Malta is a common English term, that fits the time (in German the term Malteser only came up with the split of the order in later centuries)
11 hrs
  -> Appears to be a common term. I like the explanations you posted on this query.
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Reference comments


7 mins peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Info

Reference information:
When the Knights of St John arrived in Malta in October 1530, they established themselves without delay in the small humble fishing village of Il Borgo (Birgu), also known today as Vittoriosa, after the success achieved during the Great Siege of 1565 when Grandmaster La Vallette acclaimed it as the victorious city. For 41 years the streets of Il Borgo were occupied by the Knights and each nationality known as Language, “Langue” for short, took over or built residences (palaces) termed Auberges. At first these palaces were modest when compared with the later ones in Valletta; most of them still survive in Vittoriosa including the Auberge d’Angleterre that serves today as a regional library. It is the best one kept out of all the surviving ones in Vittoriosa.

http://birgu.gov.mt/node/21

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 212
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks for posting this! It's helpful with this question and a couple of other points in the text I'm translating! :-)


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  philgoddard
47 mins
agree  Alison MacG: the knights' era/knights of Malta era "The Knights of Malta Era: An Unforgettable Period in the History of Malta! http://www.maltabulb.com/knights_of_malta.html http://www.doi-archived.gov.mt/EN/commentaries/2010/04/ind06...
1 hr
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