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ueberliefert

English translation: surviving

18:58 Feb 2, 2016
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / Medieval History
German term or phrase: ueberliefert
Kircheninventare gehoeren zu den aeltesten und seit der Spaetantike am haeufigsten ueberlieferten Inventarformen. Dies lag sowohl am materiellen Reichtum der Kirchen als auch an der Schriftlichkeit des Klerus.

Ueberliefert is giving me trouble throughout this whole document. Passed down doesnt sound right to me. Available perhaps?
Kaportnoy
Local time: 20:53
English translation:surviving
Explanation:
= not lost

Otherwise, see: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...

Also: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...

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Note added at 17 mins (2016-02-02 19:15:35 GMT)
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This was the intended Linguee link: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...
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Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:53
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Summary of answers provided
3 +12surviving
Lancashireman
3 +3recorded
Michael Martin, MA
5to pass on (information)
Goran urukalo
4handed down
Machiel van Veen (X)
3transmitted, forwarded
Irina-Livia
3passed on
Maureen Millington-Brodie


Discussion entries: 2





  

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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +12
überliefert
surviving


Explanation:
= not lost

Otherwise, see: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...

Also: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...

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Note added at 17 mins (2016-02-02 19:15:35 GMT)
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This was the intended Linguee link: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?source=auto&qu...

Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 252
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Donald Jacobson: Or extant
3 mins
  -> Good option. Thanks.
agree  philgoddard
5 mins
agree  Helen Shiner: Or as Donald says, extant.
18 mins
agree  William Howden: Extant is indeed correct, but surviving seems to better fit the tone of the sentence.
22 mins
agree  Armorel Young: Yes, provided that you're very careful about what you do with "Dies lag", because it's not their survival that the Reichtum and Schriftlichkeit have ensured but their creation in the first place.
1 hr
agree  Cilian O'Tuama: Nice one!
4 hrs
agree  Michele Fauble
5 hrs
agree  Ramey Rieger (X)
12 hrs
agree  Paul Cohen: "aus dieser Zeit ist nichts überliefert" = "no records of this period have survived" (Langenscheidt)
20 hrs
agree  Eleanore Strauss: Ueberliefert is actually handed down, but in this context, surviving is more apt
23 hrs
agree  gangels (X)
1 day 1 hr
agree  Veronika Neuhold
1 day 18 hrs
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45 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
transmitted, forwarded


Explanation:
You can say that "Church inventories are one of the oldest and most frequently transmitted or forwarded to future generations forms of inventories".
The second variant says perhaps a bit too much as compared with the original text, but you'll know from the context if it applies or not...

Irina-Livia
Romania
Local time: 03:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Armorel Young: no, you can't say "forwarded to future generations forms of inventories" in English/"forwarding" simply isn't the right term here - we're not talking about forwarding an email.
1 hr
  -> Right. I rather meant "one of the forms of inventories most frequently forwarded to future generations".
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
handed down


Explanation:
Ueberliefert: in Dutch overgeleverd. Overgeleverd: in English: Handed down.

Machiel van Veen (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 02:53
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
passed on


Explanation:
or passed down is another option

Maureen Millington-Brodie
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
to pass on (information)


Explanation:
Example: knowledge was passed on from one generation to another.
Hope this helps you out a bit

Goran urukalo
Slovenia
Local time: 02:53
Native speaker of: Native in SlovenianSlovenian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Armorel Young: the context here isn't the passing on of (intangible) knowledge and information but the survival of tangible artefacts (inventories)
14 mins
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
recorded


Explanation:
As in the following example:

"The most frequently recorded furnishings of houses were beds and their accessories."
https://www.google.com/#q="most frequently recorded furnishi...

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-02 20:38:37 GMT)
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The definition of "überliefert" says nothing about the extent to which historical objects may have survived. The second Duden definition applies here and quite clearly refers to recorded information or knowledge that has been passed down. Whether anything survived at all is not the point here. The reference to “Schriftlichkeit des Klerus” points us in the right direction..
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/ueberliefert

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Note added at 23 hrs (2016-02-03 18:32:26 GMT)
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Again, the point of 'überliefert' is not to state how many artifacts have "survived'" but to indicate there are records available that prove their (prior) existence regardless of whether they're still around or not.

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Note added at 23 hrs (2016-02-03 18:34:32 GMT)
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Again, the point of 'überliefert' is not to state how many artifacts have "survived'" but to indicate there are records available that prove their (prior) existence regardless of whether they're still around or not.

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 20:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 74

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Cilian O'Tuama: recorded quite clearly doesn't imply passed down, as überliefert does
3 hrs
  -> As an isolated term, it doesn't. In context, it does. But ‘passed down’ is insufficient anyway, as it doesn’t make the need for a reliable written or physical record front and center the way 'überliefert' does.
agree  Stephanie Busch: The second Duden definition ("nachweisbar belegt") fits well, as "überliefert" is not used in isolation here, but together with "am häufigsten". How often can a type of inventory be handed down?
22 hrs
  -> Thanks, Stephanie. Looks like there's a dire need for German native speakers to weigh in on this..!
agree  barbarameyer: es ist (schriftlich) überliefert --> there are (written) records testifying to it; es ist überliefert, dass --> dokumentarisch records indicate that http://de.langenscheidt.com/deutsch-englisch/ueberliefert
23 hrs
  -> Thank you, Barbara!
agree  Kristina Cosumano (X)
1 day 11 hrs
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