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bürgerlich

English translation: burghers

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German term or phrase:bürgerlich
English translation:burghers
Entered by: Kaportnoy

16:21 Mar 3, 2016
German to English translations [PRO]
History / Medieval History
German term or phrase: bürgerlich
Durch Rentenverkäufe und Verpfändungen waren bürgerliche Liegenschaften zudem eng mit dem Finanzmarkt verbunden und nahmen eine Schlüsselfunktion in der städtischen Wirtschaft ein.

This sentence is really just an example, but how would you translate bürgerlich in the context of the Middle Ages? I know it had to do with certain rights and such....civilian, bourgeois, Burgher? We are talking about medieval Austria. Thanks!
Kaportnoy
Local time: 07:48
burghers'
Explanation:
in this context

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher
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Burgher, a citizen of a borough or town, especially one belonging to the middle ... Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials ...
‎Burgher people – ‎Grand Burgher – ‎Anti-Burgher
Meet the Middle ages - Society - Classes of Society - Burghers
medeltiden.kalmarlansmuseum.se/e.../1-6-5.phtml?...
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Burghers. The citizens who lived in the towns made a living either from trade or from craft. A person who wanted to go into business as a merchant or a craftsman ...

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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:43:07 GMT)
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that's what they were called in those days and fits IMO

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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:45:08 GMT)
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Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials could be drawn; see Medieval bourgeoisie
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David Hollywood
Local time: 08:48
Grading comment
Thanks everyone!

4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2burghers'
David Hollywood
4 +1middle-class
Machiel van Veen (X)
3 +1of private citizens
Lancashireman
2civil
Ramey Rieger (X)
2of the common people (commoners)
Wendy Streitparth


Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


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civil


Explanation:
I think

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 13:48
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 41
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
middle-class


Explanation:
Because it's about properties, one can tell it's not about low-class civilians, but about middle-class people.

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Note added at 2 uren (2016-03-03 18:29:23 GMT)
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In the middle ages someone who owned a property like a house or windmill or something like that, must have been not only middle class, but pretty rich, I think. The people was normally divided in the "haves" and "the havenots".


    Reference: http://www.dict.cc/?s=b%C3%BCrgerlich&failed_kw=burgerlich
Machiel van Veen (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 13:48
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: I was going to say this sounds odd in a medieval context, but I've looked it up and there was a relatively small segment of the population who were neither nobles nor peasants.
31 mins
  -> Thanks, Phil. If you read "Pillars of the Earth", you can see that the equivalent of architects and the like were also independent and no noble nor peasant.
neutral  franglish: Middle-class is a modern term.
1 hr
neutral  writeaway: with franglish. it's basically anachronistic.
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
of private citizens


Explanation:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q="private citizens...

'Private citizens' as opposed to 'the nobility'.
The bourgeoisie came later.

Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 252

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ramey Rieger (X): Yes, draws the line clearly
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
burghers'


Explanation:
in this context

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgher
Traducir esta página
Burgher, a citizen of a borough or town, especially one belonging to the middle ... Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials ...
‎Burgher people – ‎Grand Burgher – ‎Anti-Burgher
Meet the Middle ages - Society - Classes of Society - Burghers
medeltiden.kalmarlansmuseum.se/e.../1-6-5.phtml?...
Traducir esta página
Burghers. The citizens who lived in the towns made a living either from trade or from craft. A person who wanted to go into business as a merchant or a craftsman ...

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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:43:07 GMT)
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that's what they were called in those days and fits IMO

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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-03-04 04:45:08 GMT)
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Burgher, a social class in medieval European cities from which city officials could be drawn; see Medieval bourgeoisie

David Hollywood
Local time: 08:48
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 48
Grading comment
Thanks everyone!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Andrea Garfield-Barkworth: This link even specifies owning real estate: http://webs.schule.at/website/Citizenship/citizen_en.htm
7 hrs
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: http://asherwin.com/resources/glossary/buerger/
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
of the common people (commoners)


Explanation:
[PPT]Living in the Middle Ages:
www.tc.umn.edu/~schm0502/eFolio/schmidt.powerpoint.ppt

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 13:48
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 44
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