durch allerhand Griffe rund um die Kirche

English translation: by lending a (helping) hand around the church

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German term or phrase:durch allerhand Griffe rund um die Kirche
English translation:by lending a (helping) hand around the church
Entered by: Rachel Ward

13:57 Nov 28, 2012
German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: durch allerhand Griffe rund um die Kirche
This is from a book on the life of Alfons Mucha, describing his education at the cathedral in Brno.

"Auf dem Petersberg [Petrov] hoch über der mährischen Landeshauptstadt bezieht er ein Kämmerlein und verdient sich das Schulgeld für das Gymnasium durch Singen im Chor – teils unter der Leitung des blutjungen Regenschori Leoš Janáček – sowie durch allerhand Griffe rund um die Kirche. Vielleicht taugt der Alfons nach der Matura gar zum
Dechanten?"

I take this to mean doing odd jobs but can't find any confirmation of this.

Grateful for any light on this odd phrase!

Rachel
Rachel Ward
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:49
by lending a (helping) hand around the church
Explanation:
Katja's approval has encouraged me to post this.
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Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 20:49
Grading comment
Thank you Wendy!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +2by all sorts of chores around the church
Adrian MM. (X)
3 +3by lending a (helping) hand around the church
Wendy Streitparth
3 +1by pitching in around the church
Michael Martin, MA
3 +1by undertaking all kinds of activities associated with the running of the church
Mark Flynn


Discussion entries: 10





  

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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
durch allerhand (Hand)griffe rund um die Kirche
by all sorts of chores around the church


Explanation:
Short for Handgriff.

Brno= Brünn used to be part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. So look for an Austrian angle from a non-native speaker.

Example sentence(s):
  • keinen Handgriff tun: not do a stroke of work/ Österr. WB, Schulausgabe

    Reference: http://www.dict.cc/?s=Handgriff
Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 20:49
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Trudy Peters
12 mins
  -> Thanks. I see now that Wendy S. got there before me.

agree  Rebecca Garber: chores, odd jobs
24 mins
  -> merci vielmals!

agree  Claudia Coja: Cu plăcere:)
38 mins
  -> Multumesc!

agree  gangels (X)
1 hr
  -> danke schön!

disagree  Lancashireman: "Chores" doesn't do it for me etc (see above)
1 hr

disagree  Armorel Young: "Chores" doesn't do it for me, but space restrictions prevent me elaborating further.
2 hrs

agree  Kate Collyer: I prefer 'odd jobs', but this works
9 hrs
  -> Thanks. Chore is actually Langenscheidt Encyclopaedic dictionary entry no. 9 for Handgriff: the latter being the clue Wendy S. also picked up on.

disagree  Helen Shiner: chores too negative. Best to use discretion and refer to context as a translator, though, isn't it?
8 days
  -> Chore is actually Langenscheidt Encyclopaedic dictionary entry no. 9 for Handgriff//The context was Griffe: 'I take this to mean doing odd jobs but can't find any confirmation of this'.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
by pitching in around the church


Explanation:
or "chipping in around the church". My only concern is whether this fits the original's register and idiosyncratic language..

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 14:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 63

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kate Collyer: if the register fits
7 hrs

neutral  Helen Shiner: Chipping in, at least in the UK, if about offering money. Pitching in very informal for teamwork, so not sure it's appropriate in this case.
8 days
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
by undertaking all kinds of activities associated with the running of the church


Explanation:
Some food for thought in this entertaining discussion. A bit long-winded I know, but it's neutral and covers all the bases from sweeping the floors to selling indulgences (which both, incidentally, sound like chores to me).

Mark Flynn
Germany
Local time: 20:49
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lancashireman
8 mins

neutral  Kate Collyer: 'the running of the church' is a little too much responsibility for a choir boy! 'upkeep' maybe?
6 hrs

neutral  Helen Shiner: A bit long-winded, perhaps.
8 days
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
by lending a (helping) hand around the church


Explanation:
Katja's approval has encouraged me to post this.

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 20:49
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11
Grading comment
Thank you Wendy!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Phoebe Indetzki
1 hr
  -> Thanks, phoeberuth

agree  oa_xxx (X): helping out around the church, all sorts of odd jobs etc
1 hr
  -> Thanks, orla

agree  Kate Collyer
6 hrs
  -> Thanks, Kate
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