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German to English translations [PRO] Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s) / Employment Contract
German term or phrase:unentgeltlich oder ehrenamtlich
Is there a difference? This is from the clause in an employment contract prohibiting the employee (member of an executive board in this case) from taking on secondary employment:
"Die Übernahme anderer geschäftlicher oder gewerblicher Tätigkeiten – gleichgültig ob entgeltlich, unentgeltlich oder ehrenamtlich – bedarf der vorherigen schriftlichen Zustimmung des Vorsitzenden des Aufsichtsrates der Gesellschaft."
I know it's "remunerated, unremunerated, or as a volunteer", but is there another difference I'm not picking up on?
Explanation: The difference is that positions without pay may be recompensed somehow (goods, privileges, etc.), weil voluntary there is no recompense at all.
... that the two UK examples cited by Björn are perfectly adequate in this context. I also agree with Björn's remark re. "ehrenamtlich" being a subset of "unentgeltlich".
"However, if you are from outside the European Economic Area (EEA), you are not allowed to take up work, paid or unpaid, which includes volunteering, without a valid work permit or ‘Indefinite Leave to Remain (LDR)’ and 3 years residence history within the UK." https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/tna/2014100814504...
I don't quite understand your point about "ongoing"; a gewerbliche Tätigkeit is, by definition, "ongoing": "In der deutschen Rechtswissenschaft hat sich folgende Definition durchgesetzt: Ein Gewerbe ist jede erlaubte, selbständige, nach außen erkennbare Tätigkeit, die planmäßig, für eine gewisse Dauer und zum Zwecke der Gewinnerzielung ausgeübt wird und kein freier Beruf ist...Planmäßig und auf gewisse Dauer betriebene gewerbliche Tätigkeit bedeutet, dass diese nicht nur gelegentlich betrieben werden darf. Nach Karsten Schmidt muss die Tätigkeit auf immer und ewig geplant sein." https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewerbe
Point taken (although they are actually synonymous in the US).
Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
@Peter
16:18 Apr 25, 2019
We're talking U.S. English, I believe. But I'm with you all the way on the 'compensation' bit. 'With our without pay/remuneration or voluntary' Honorary, to my ears just does not belong here.
@Andrew, please don't use compensation. In my opinion that relates to something that is given or paid in recognition of some kind of loss or injury. Payment for work is remuneration.
I might go with "– whether such activities are performed for compensation, for no compensation, or on a volunteer or honorary basis –". I'm a little hesitant to equate an "activity" with a "position", which is ongoing. And that would settle the "honorary" vs. "volunteer" issue (although we are talking about a member of an executive board, so an honorary position might be likely).
Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
@Peter
15:55 Apr 25, 2019
I beg to differ. An honorary position is per se recompensed by being an honor (doctor, artist) - not necessarily a volunteer. They are two very different things.
I think you are focussing too much on the distinction between these other types of employment. The point, I would guess, of this clause is that the employee may not take up other employment of ANY KIND whatsoever without the employer's consent. And I would guess that is chiefly to do with such things as conflicts of interest or not being able to devote oneself sufficiently to the job in question rather than whether or not one is paid for the second job. And by the way, in this context "honorary position" is preferable to "volunteer" in my opinion.
Could it be the difference between unpaid employment and volunteer work? I.e. with unpaid employment you still get benefits such as holiday and sick pay, but you don't get such benefits with volunteer work. I'm not certain, but that would be my guess.
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without pay or voluntary
Explanation: The difference is that positions without pay may be recompensed somehow (goods, privileges, etc.), weil voluntary there is no recompense at all.
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