Trägern von Hoheitsrechten

English translation: a person or entity exercising governmental/sovereign powers; a governmental authority

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German term or phrase:Trägern von Hoheitsrechten
English translation:a person or entity exercising governmental/sovereign powers; a governmental authority
Entered by: jccantrell

22:43 Jul 23, 2019
German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)
German term or phrase: Trägern von Hoheitsrechten
Hi folks.

I know what this means (police authorities, military, etc.). What I would like to know is how do we say this in the USA?

I am thinking of 'sworn personnel' as this is how you define a police officer who can carry a gun and a badge (as opposed to CSIs, etc., who do not need to be sworn) but I am not sure it fits. Military personnel are also sworn.

I am translating a text that says certain capabilities of a system may only be exercised by Trägern von Hoheitsrechten and by that they mean that while contractors may run the system most of the time, when it comes to taking certain drastic actions, the contractors may not run the system but need to turn it over to the owners.

Sorry, but I cannot go into it further.

By the way, my weak stab at it is "agencies with sovereign rights" but man that is soooo unsatisfying.

I would appreciate a USA link or two, if you have them./

Thanks.
jccantrell
United States
Local time: 23:09
a person or entity exercising governmental/sovereign powers; a governmental authority
Explanation:
Based on
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim...
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBA/1002
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/lawsstatutes/20...
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/gcprod/documents/GC_...
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/habeas-corpus/habeas-corpus-rig...
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/state-responsibility/or...
https://www.orau.gov/cdcynergy/erc/Content/activeinformation...
https://www.lawinsider.com/contracts/2eJH0zfA3YGp8RfRX4COpA/...

…and these two (which I haven’t yet quoted in the d-box):

“Subd. 12.Joint exercise of police power.
In the event that an agreement authorizes the exercise of peace officer or police powers by an officer appointed by one of the governmental units within the jurisdiction of the other governmental unit, an officer acting pursuant to that agreement has the full and complete authority of a peace officer as though appointed by both governmental units and licensed by the state ...”
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/471.59

“If the Governor directs the attorney general to commence legal action seeking any recovery on behalf of the state, the governing body of any governmental entity exercising any part of the state's sovereign power, upon request of the attorney general, within thirty days of the request, may, in the discretion of the governing body, assign any cause of action related to the state's action to the state for consolidation with the state's action.”
https://sdlegislature.gov/Statutes/Codified_Laws/DisplayStat...

A Träger von Hoheitsrechten could be a country, a federal state, an organization/agency or an individual. What they do is Ausübung von Staatsgewalt.

With regard to federal states, there is Article 20 of the German Grundgesetz: https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/fb5/prof/OEF004/WS.09.10_...

It’s a federal system, so American Federalism is a good starting point if you need to word it differently. I wouldn’t necessarily remove sovereign, but you could move it further back to circumvent the problem of a police force not being a sovereign entity.

What you should get away from, IMO, is holder or bearer and enforcement doesn’t work half the time.

Cf.
http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?x...
https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/30-A/title30-Asec4741...
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Björn Vrooman
Local time: 08:09
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Hi folks.
First, let me thank everyone. I did not think this question would create such a response.
However, I gave the points to Björn because of his research. 'Sovereign' just did not sound right to my 'Merrican ears and I wanted something more in line with that. Björn found it.
Thanks to everyone for the lively discussion and pointers.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5sovereign rights bearers
Cillie Swart
4institutions/bearers of sovereign authority
Michael Martin, MA
3(AmE) public (law enforcement) agents and agencies
Adrian MM.
3sovereign entities/authorities
Ramey Rieger (X)
3a person or entity exercising governmental/sovereign powers; a governmental authority
Björn Vrooman


Discussion entries: 10





  

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36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
institutions/bearers of sovereign authority


Explanation:
"Breaking down Hobbes’s conception of a supposedly natural “war of all against all,” Solnit’s empiricism demonstrates that neighborhood societies of cooperation and mutual aid arise precisely when official institutions of sovereign authority have broken down, leaving no one to help the wounded or traumatized except for other survivors, neighbors, and health providers." https://ssir.org/book_reviews/entry/paradise_built_in_hell_e...

"In her book Paradise Built in Hell, Solnit draws upon data from five major disasters to empirically refute the conventional belief that disasters lead terrified, passive victims toward chaos and dependency. Instead, she writes, “neighborhood societies of cooperation and mutual aid arise precisely when official institutions of sovereign authority have broken down.” https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/forget-about-the-experts-th...

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 02:09
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Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 364
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1 day 15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
sovereign rights bearers


Explanation:
those who have the authority to exercise sovereign rights


    https://www.linguee.com/english-german/search?query=Tr%C3%A4gern+von+Hoheitsrechten
Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 08:09
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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1 day 17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
(AmE) public (law enforcement) agents and agencies


Explanation:
Odd, I would have never thought of US police and military as 'sovereign entities' but, as Professors Wade & Phillips once wrote in their standard textbook on UK constitutional and administrative law: 'all debate may be misguided and misleading'.






Example sentence(s):
  • A law enforcement agency (LEA), in North American English, is a government agency Private police are often utilized in places where public law enforcement is seen as being under-provided. For example, the San Francisco Patrol Special
  • By public law enforcement is meant the use of public law enforcement agents -- such as police, tax inspectors, regulatory personnel -- to enforce legal rules.

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency
    Reference: http://www.nber.org/papers/w9698
Adrian MM.
Austria
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2 days 9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sovereign entities/authorities


Explanation:
Since Björn hasn't posted it, I will. If he does, just ignore this, I'm off on vacation. I would keep the sovereign in there.

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 08:09
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 59
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3 days 17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
a person or entity exercising governmental/sovereign powers; a governmental authority


Explanation:
Based on
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim...
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBA/1002
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/lawsstatutes/20...
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/gcprod/documents/GC_...
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/habeas-corpus/habeas-corpus-rig...
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/state-responsibility/or...
https://www.orau.gov/cdcynergy/erc/Content/activeinformation...
https://www.lawinsider.com/contracts/2eJH0zfA3YGp8RfRX4COpA/...

…and these two (which I haven’t yet quoted in the d-box):

“Subd. 12.Joint exercise of police power.
In the event that an agreement authorizes the exercise of peace officer or police powers by an officer appointed by one of the governmental units within the jurisdiction of the other governmental unit, an officer acting pursuant to that agreement has the full and complete authority of a peace officer as though appointed by both governmental units and licensed by the state ...”
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/471.59

“If the Governor directs the attorney general to commence legal action seeking any recovery on behalf of the state, the governing body of any governmental entity exercising any part of the state's sovereign power, upon request of the attorney general, within thirty days of the request, may, in the discretion of the governing body, assign any cause of action related to the state's action to the state for consolidation with the state's action.”
https://sdlegislature.gov/Statutes/Codified_Laws/DisplayStat...

A Träger von Hoheitsrechten could be a country, a federal state, an organization/agency or an individual. What they do is Ausübung von Staatsgewalt.

With regard to federal states, there is Article 20 of the German Grundgesetz: https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/fb5/prof/OEF004/WS.09.10_...

It’s a federal system, so American Federalism is a good starting point if you need to word it differently. I wouldn’t necessarily remove sovereign, but you could move it further back to circumvent the problem of a police force not being a sovereign entity.

What you should get away from, IMO, is holder or bearer and enforcement doesn’t work half the time.

Cf.
http://www.lexsoft.de/cgi-bin/lexsoft/justizportal_nrw.cgi?x...
https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/30-A/title30-Asec4741...

Björn Vrooman
Local time: 08:09
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 11
Grading comment
Hi folks.
First, let me thank everyone. I did not think this question would create such a response.
However, I gave the points to Björn because of his research. 'Sovereign' just did not sound right to my 'Merrican ears and I wanted something more in line with that. Björn found it.
Thanks to everyone for the lively discussion and pointers.
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