derer

English translation: of those

14:01 Mar 6, 2006

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German term or phrase: derer

Noblesse oblige - von wegen: Das Adelsgeschlecht derer von Spee entpuppt sich in Geldangelegenheiten als wenig vornehm. Vor einem US-Gericht streiten die Verwandten ums Familienerbe. Es geht um eine Viertelmilliarde Euro und schwierige Rechtsfragen

Can somebody help explain the function of "derer" in the sentence: Das Adelsgeschlecht derer von Spee entpuppt sich in Geldangelegenheiten als wenig vornehm. Is the sentence grammatically correct?

Thank you in advance!

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English translation:of those

Explanation:
derer Dem. Pron. (Gen Pl. von der, die, das) of those;
die Namen derer, die da waren the names of those present

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Gad Harel
Israel
Local time: 03:35

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3 +4

the noble family of Spee

Michaela Sommer

4 +1

of those from

Terence Ajbro

of those

Gad Harel

s.b.

markusg

Discussion entries: 2

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1 min confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

of those from

Explanation:
-- review German grammar on deren, dessen, denen and derer

Terence Ajbro
Sweden
Local time: 02:35
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 20

5 mins confidence:

of those

Explanation:
derer Dem. Pron. (Gen Pl. von der, die, das) of those;
die Namen derer, die da waren the names of those present

Gad Harel
Israel
Local time: 03:35
Native speaker of:

German,

English
PRO pts in category: 4

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9 mins confidence:

s.b.

Explanation:
..the von Spee family...

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Note added at 16 mins (2006-03-06 14:17:54 GMT)
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->Collins

markusg
Germany
Local time: 02:35
Native speaker of:

German

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

the noble family of Spee

Explanation:
Siehe z. B.:

The noble family of Alba is an aristocratic family of Spanish origin who can trace back their ancestry to 1429, when the first “Alba” was made “Lord of the City of Alba de Tormes”. In 1492, it was a member of this family, the second Duke of Alba who sign the capitulation of the city of Granada.

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-03-06 15:06:00 GMT)
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This is what Collins English dictionary says: noble - of or relating to a hereditary class with special status, often derived from a feudal period.

It's really just a 'posh' way of saying 'das Adelsgeschlecht von ..."

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba_family

Michaela Sommer
Local time: 02:35
Native speaker of: German

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