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Umgangton

English translation: common usage

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German term or phrase:Umgangston
English translation:common usage
Entered by: Jon Fedler

10:33 Oct 22, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Linguistics / Sociology
German term or phrase: Umgangton
From a dissertation on the Thueringer dialect and its contemporary social significance:
Alle fünf Probanden führten neben „no“ auch „ge“ bzw. im Falle des Informanten .... die Langform „gelle“ an, wovon sie bei mir wiederum das Wissen um die Bedeutung voraussetzten. Während letztgenannter Proband lediglich aussagte, dass diese Wörter oft verwendet werden würden, verstärkte Informant M.W. deren Bedeutung für den Erfurter Dialekt, in dem er aussagte, sie würden zum *Umgangton* gehören. Auch für Probandin ...erschienen diese beiden Wörtchen sehr signifikant für den Erfurter Dialekt.
Jon Fedler
Local time: 20:56
common usage
Explanation:
or commonly used
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Melanie Wittwer
New Zealand
Local time: 05:56
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5colloquial usage
Jim Tucker (X)
3 +4common usage
Melanie Wittwer
3 +1conversational usage
Lesley Robertson MA, Dip Trans IoLET
4appropriate or acceptable usage
British Diana
Summary of reference entries provided
"Umgangston"
British Diana

Discussion entries: 1





  

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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
common usage


Explanation:
or commonly used

Melanie Wittwer
New Zealand
Local time: 05:56
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to Melanie and all other participants

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Rowe
2 mins
agree  Nicole Schnell
9 mins
agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): yes, and "Umgangston" as you pointed out already
1 hr
agree  gangels (X): colloquialisms are whole words or phrases, here we just have prefixes
6 hrs
disagree  Lancashireman: Unconvinced by Klaus Beyer’s assertion concerning ‘words/phrases’ and ‘prefixes’ (?). ‘Common usage’ would take in more formal modes of speech and writing, which is not the case here.
12 hrs
agree  Jutta Scherer: In this case, the term simply means that this is how people in the region speak (i.e., not only in certain situations/at certain levels of speech)
1 day 1 hr
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
conversational usage


Explanation:
is equally possible I think

Lesley Robertson MA, Dip Trans IoLET
Austria
Local time: 19:56
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Rowe: So do I :-)
11 mins
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35 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
colloquial usage


Explanation:
is the term

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Note added at 22 hrs (2009-10-23 09:14:26 GMT)
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"a feature of colloquial speech"

Jim Tucker (X)
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kerstin Green: The German word should be "Umgangssprache", nothing to do with "Ton", really. And that translates to "colloquial language".
20 mins
agree  franglish
42 mins
agree  Lancashireman
1 hr
agree  Colin Rowe: Another good option.
2 hrs
agree  Rebecca Garber
6 hrs
neutral  Jutta Scherer: Kerstin, you are correcting the source... It might also be that the person really meant to say "Es gehört zum guten Ton" - i.e., it's perfectly normal/appropriate to speak that way.
1 day 54 mins
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16 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
appropriate or acceptable usage


Explanation:
Please see my reference.As I see it the "Informant M. W. " may be stressing that in his opinion the use of these words is socially acceptible in Erfurt, that there is nothing inappropriate (e.g. "uneducated" ) about them.
If this is somewthing said in a linguistics dissertation there could be a lot of difference between "Umgangston" and "Umgangssprache" ! (Sorry, Kerstin, I don't quite see eye-to-eye with you here)

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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2009-10-23 17:23:26 GMT) Post-grading
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Pity that Jutta didn't give me an "agree" - I think she was thinking along the same lines as I was. To quote Jutta: "It might also be that the person really meant to say "Es gehört zum guten Ton" - i.e., it's perfectly normal/appropriate to speak that way. "

British Diana
Germany
Local time: 19:56
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Reference comments


16 hrs
Reference: "Umgangston"

Reference information:
"Umgangston" has a connotation of approval or disapproval (appropriateness or otherwise of the utterance or how it is made)in normal usage, possibly not in this instance. Just google "nicht diesen Umgangston" and you will find many examples. Here is just one:

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Note added at 17 hrs (2009-10-23 04:00:47 GMT)
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On second thoughts, I now think that the connotation IS indeed implied by the speaker we hear about in this instance,


    Reference: http://www.forum-hilfe.de/archive/index.php/t-2482.html
British Diana
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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