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syntax of "behaupten" in passive with "von+jemandem"

English translation: this person is doing the claiming

00:06 Jan 7, 2005
German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: syntax of "behaupten" in passive with "von+jemandem"
"Ich habe das Kino gewählt, um Zeichen für die von mir behauptete kulturelle Zeitenwende zu suchen, die eben nicht nur oder vielleicht sogar am aller wenigsten in den intellektuellen Feuilleton-Debatten stattfindet."

Does the structure "von+jemandem+behauptet" mean that this jemand is doing the behaupten or that it is behauptet of him/her?

I suspect this is too simple for me to have to ask, but I am dead-tired and cannot think straight.

Many thanks to all.
Elena
English translation:this person is doing the claiming
Explanation:
I think the main difficulty with this sentence is the way "behaupten" is being used.

VERY ROUGH translation: to look for signs of the cultural "turn of an era" that I claimed happened, which was in fact not or maybe even least of all discussed in the intellectual debates.

Yes, the structure "von+mir+behauptet" means that this person is doing the behaupten.
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Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 10:07
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Summary of answers provided
3 +6An attempt
Olaf Reibedanz
3 +2this person is doing the claiming
Kim Metzger
4another option
Johanna Timm, PhD


  

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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
syntax of
this person is doing the claiming


Explanation:
I think the main difficulty with this sentence is the way "behaupten" is being used.

VERY ROUGH translation: to look for signs of the cultural "turn of an era" that I claimed happened, which was in fact not or maybe even least of all discussed in the intellectual debates.

Yes, the structure "von+mir+behauptet" means that this person is doing the behaupten.


Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 10:07
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 123

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Nesrin: ...unless you're saying "es wurde von mir behauptet dass...". I think that's the construction that confused the asker.
2 mins
neutral  Anglo-German (X): I wonder what you mean by "difficulty" here? I don't get it.
1 hr
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: I don't see anything wrong with this suggestion. Yes, the speaker claims, and yes, to a non-native this might sound complicated.
3 hrs
agree  Lucyna Długołęcka: with Johanna
10 hrs
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
syntax of
An attempt


Explanation:
I chose the cinema as a means to verify my hypothesis of a major cultural change.

(The speaker himself is the one who "behauptet").

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Note added at 10 mins (2005-01-07 00:17:09 GMT)
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Another attempt:

I chose the cinema as a means to verify my hypothesis according to which we are in the middle of a major cultural change.

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Note added at 28 mins (2005-01-07 00:34:43 GMT)
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Sorry, the article before \"cinema\" is of course redundant:

I chose cinema as a means to verify my hypothesis according to which we are in the middle of a major cultural change.


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Note added at 31 mins (2005-01-07 00:37:32 GMT)
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Another correction (\"means of verifying\"):

I chose cinema as a means of verifying my hypothesis according to which we are in the middle of a major cultural change.

Olaf Reibedanz
Colombia
Local time: 11:07
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nesrin: I like 'hypothesis'. "Cultural change claimed by myself" just doesn't work.
8 mins
  -> Thank you, Nesrin :-)
agree  Claudia Tomaschek: Very nice translation!
12 mins
  -> Thank you very much :-)
agree  Anglo-German (X): Much better than the clumsy German original.
1 hr
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: Prima! Konnte nur nicht widerstehen, meinen Senf auch noch dazuzugeben.
3 hrs
agree  Tatjana Dujmic
8 hrs
agree  Laurel Porter (X): Nice - however, I disagree with your removal of the article before "cinema" - hard to justify, offhand, but as a native (US) speaker I'd require the article.
10 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
syntax of
another option


Explanation:
I turned to the cinema in the hope to identify signs that would substantiate my claim that a change of times is imminent, a change that etc...

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 09:07
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 24
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