konnotativer Bedeutungshof

14:12 Sep 1, 2017 

Getting deluged with these posts now. Please can we keep them to the necessary minimum? I know I can block them, but since I've posted an answer, I feel I should at least be aware of the conversation.

14:09 Sep 1, 2017 

In case you are wondering Helen (as I do in these cases), I removed the extra "s" before posting this term in the glossary. We have already had one case of pleonasm here; we don't want any more superfluous letters of the alphabet!

14:04 Sep 1, 2017 

Thanks @herbalchemist - and for your understanding @Karolin - that is why I rejected options such as linguistic domain, which is more scientific. I think it wil be a very long time before I come across the term"konnotativer bedeutungshof" again; but I am glad that I have been introduced to it. :-)

13:42 Sep 1, 2017 

sure : ))

13:40 Sep 1, 2017 

Thanks Karolin and everyone else who has contributed to this discussion. The article which I am translating is extremely "intellectual" so I am going to choose Helen's suggestion as this bet reflects the tone of the original German text.

13:33 Sep 1, 2017 

"The ridiculous thing is that after trying out different combinations in my head, there’s no other way the author could have added “konnotativ” in German"

Maybe because it is already included in "Bedeutungshof"? It would result in something like connotative connotation. associative association. Getting dizzy.

13:29 Sep 1, 2017 

Thanks for this suggestion, Helen and Ann for supporting her. I appreciate that connotative is a fairly obscure word but it is in keeping with the style of this academic article which I am translating so I think I should keep it in the translation.

13:21 Sep 1, 2017 

I'm not sure how relevant this is to this text, but Bedeutungsfeld = semantic field.
https://dict.leo.org/german-english/semantic
https://www.team-hf.de/downloads/2014-kuenzer.l.hofingerg.--...
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-3490-1_...

13:17 Sep 1, 2017 

I wasn't certain until I dug up a similar analysis that 'konnotativ' has this particular meaning (and there is still doubt). Modern psychology and philosophy do not make such a strong distinction between denotation and connotation, and often connotative means something more like contextual. I don't think this Psychology paper was using 'konnotativen Bedeutungshof' the wrong way: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-322-94209-8_...

12:50 Sep 1, 2017 

Three ENS examples:
(rich) field of connotative meaning
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~caforum/volume3/vol3_article3....

layers of connotative meaning
https://teenschooling.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/why-students-...

ranges of connotative meaning
http://crab.rutgers.edu/~rushing/Some_types_of_literary_mean...

I think the much bigger issue is that the author is using the adjective for the first part of the compound noun. In contrast to “ruhige Schifffahrt” = ruhige Fahrt auf dem Schiff, “konnotativer Bedeutungshof” = Hof (Feld) an konnotativen Bedeutungen. The ridiculous thing is that after trying out different combinations in my head, there’s no other way the author could have added “konnotativ” in German; it just doesn’t work. I wish he or she had rephrased, but oh well.

To show Stephen what the term means in context:
“when I realized that ‘shared water’ was both a literal reference to the water situation in ‘dry heat’ Arizona and also a very clever, gracious way of referring to our shared enterprise and its theme”
https://haikuproject.wordpress.com/links/shared-water-a-reng...

12:49 Sep 1, 2017 

Sorry for posting this a bit late, I guess:
"die assoziative, emotionale, stilistische, wertende [Neben]bedeutung eines sprachlichen Zeichens betreffend"
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/konnotativ

Same in English:
"Whereas denote refers to the literal, primary meaning of something, connote refers to other characteristics suggested or implied by that thing. Thus, one might say that a word like motherdenotes ‘a woman who is a parent’ but connotes qualities such as protection and affection"
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/connote

There's no need to introduce anything "symbolic" or "representative" here.

May not entirely agree with Anne's remarks, as "konnotative Bedeutung" is a bit like doubling down (nebenbedeutungsmäßige Bedeutung, hmm), but it's established: https://www.universalclass.com/articles/writing/aspects-of-d...

The plural "connotations" might work but I don't see why you should change anything here.

Helen gets my vote because I agree with the singular for "meaning" and with "field" (or range/layer). I wouldn't rip apart "connotative meaning," though. It's even in the dictionary (see your link).

08:46 Sep 1, 2017 

Thanks for all the replies. I had not previously fully realised this but I think the key to understanding this is in this link and the page linked to it. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/connotati...

07:42 Sep 1, 2017 

While I know the term "Bedeutungshof" in the sense of "any meaning assigned to or associated with a given word", your quote seems to support Karolin's understanding that "-hof" is the more diffuse, connotative set of meanings of a term. I have not been able to find a clear definition of the word "Bedeutungshof", hence, it is possibly used in both senses, depending on the speaker.

07:35 Sep 1, 2017 

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07:29 Sep 1, 2017 

Probably comes from here: 'Das kigo fungiert gewissermaßen als Kode, stelltein Denotat, etwas objektiv Wahrnehmbares dar, das von einem konnotativen Bedeutungshof, etwas subjektiv Empfundenen, umgeben ist... Das kigo hat also Ieitmotivische Funktion, es ist Symbolträger, der dem Leser spezifische, in natürlicher Bildlichkeit objektivierte Stimmungswerte des Autors übermittelt, die in jedem Fall adäquat
empfangen werden, denn erstens sind die Konnotationswerte über Jahrhunderte hinweg konstant, und zweitens nimmt der Japaner assoziationsorientiert wahr.' http://www.sabine-sommerkamp.de/images/pdf/haiku_im_jap_werb...

07:11 Sep 1, 2017 

I see. You are right. Anne, the link is broken.

16:10 Aug 31, 2017 

I agree with Anne. It is not one single connotation, but an associated field of associations or connotations.

16:09 Aug 31, 2017 

I don't think it is a pleonasm. There are different ways of assigning meaning (see e.g. the connotation-denotation differentiation in the reference I quote in my Answer), and connotation is just one of them --> Konnotation/connotation is a subset of Bedeutung/meaning.

14:04 Aug 31, 2017 

The term is a pleonasm. Konnotat = Bedeutungshof, so "konnotativ" is not necessary. "Connotation" alone would actually do.

07:29 Aug 31, 2017 

For Bedeutungshof I found "host of meanings" (which only means that there are many meanings transported/connotated by one word/symbol). So could it be "host of connotative meanings"?

18:38 Aug 30, 2017 

comes to mind.https://books.google.de/books?id=EJmxk0Ofv7EC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA...

18:28 Aug 30, 2017 

It can also mean symbolic meaning, I believe, from what I have just read, though I cannot properly confirm it. Not a term in frequent use. See section 4. here: http://www.fachdidaktik-einecke.de/9a_Meth-Sprachreflexion/m...

18:26 Aug 30, 2017 

It probably means connotative field of meaning, but the context would mean we could check.

18:26 Aug 30, 2017 

Hello Ramey,sorry for the delay. Here is the sentence. Ein solcher konnotati­ver Bedeutungshof, der sich bereits in der ältesten, auch dem Volk vertrauten Dichtung bildete, überträgt der Krähe die Funktion eines Kodes. Can I send you the poem tomorrow as I have a lot of queries to deal with now?

17:41 Aug 30, 2017 

please. I wouldn't mind reading the haiku, either.