Die Indentität des Autors mit seinem Werk

English translation: The author’s identification with his oeuvre/work

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German term or phrase:Die Indentität des Autors mit seinem Werk
English translation:The author’s identification with his oeuvre/work
Entered by: Stephen Old

19:48 Feb 12, 2019
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Zen and haiku poetry
German term or phrase: Die Indentität des Autors mit seinem Werk
This phrase occurs at least twice in my translation text. Here it refers to Ginsberg but I am not sure of the exact translation, or meaning of this phrase.



Daß es für ihn zu einem Überlebensprinzip im weitesten Sinne wur­de, zeigen die an "animal soup of time" anschließenden Verse, die gleichermaßen den vierten Komplex, die Frage nach der Identi­tät von Autor und Werk betreffen:
Stephen Old
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:21
The author’s identification with his oeuvre/work
Explanation:
As per my discussion entries. Can be used whether the identification is being done by a third-party or by the author himself.

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My pleasure, Stephen. Glad to hear the kitten is keeping you from your work ;-)
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:21
Grading comment
Thank you for your expert help again, Helen. I have been busy with, and must return to kitten-minding duties. There are photos on Twitter.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4The author’s identification with his oeuvre/work
Helen Shiner
3 +3inseparability of author and his work
Michael Martin, MA
Summary of reference entries provided
animal soup of time
Helen Shiner

Discussion entries: 11





  

Answers


55 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
inseparability of author and his work


Explanation:
Compare with this line (and the whole segment for context)
"In my paper, I would like to follow an argument based on the
inseparability of the authoress from her work." https://www.atiner.gr/papers/LAW2013-0861.pdf

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Note added at 1 day 9 hrs (2019-02-14 05:05:00 GMT)
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I think we may have a case here of confusing identity with identification. It's not much of an insight to note that an author identifies with his work (what author doesn't?) To me, it seems both more meaningful and linguistically accurate to examine to what extent work and person are intertwined (from the readership's perspective). That's exactly what the German expression points to and what my solution reflects without ambiguity.

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 22:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 43

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Madeleine van Zanten
10 hrs
  -> Thanks, Madeleine!

agree  Sabrina Stolfa: I like that! :-)
11 hrs
  -> Same here. Identification comes across as a bit pedestrian.

agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: yes- It’s about “Howl”, where Ginsburg, in his own words, wanted to scribble magic lines from my real mind—sum up my life—something I wouldn’t be able to show anybody, write for my own soul’s ear and a few other golden ears. https://owlcation.com/h
2 days 23 hrs
  -> Thanks. Hey wait. You didn't get Björn's memo?
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
The author’s identification with his oeuvre/work


Explanation:
As per my discussion entries. Can be used whether the identification is being done by a third-party or by the author himself.

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Note added at 3 days 21 hrs (2019-02-16 16:51:49 GMT) Post-grading
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My pleasure, Stephen. Glad to hear the kitten is keeping you from your work ;-)

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:21
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 139
Grading comment
Thank you for your expert help again, Helen. I have been busy with, and must return to kitten-minding duties. There are photos on Twitter.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Björn Vrooman: This one is good (I think my d-box example would be OK too). The use of inseparability, however, is not--in political journalism, you'd call that slant or bias (considering the author didn't say anything about it being "untrennbar").
17 mins
  -> Thanks, Björn. I agree re inseparability.

agree  writeaway
7 hrs
  -> Thanks, writeaway

agree  Lancashireman: ... with BV. There is no case for straying from the 'identi-' morpheme.
16 hrs
  -> Thanks, Lancashireman. Agreed.

agree  Darin Fitzpatrick
1 day 1 hr
  -> Thanks, Darin
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Reference comments


14 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: animal soup of time

Reference information:
This might help a little to understand what Ginsburg means by this term:

Yet the Ginsberg of the late fifties was an oddly contradictory figure. He was a strident revolutionary who, when not announcing his absolute newness, was busily tracing his genealogical links with underground traditions and neglected masters, especially Blake and Whitman. History was bunk, but the new consciousness Ginsberg proclaimed was empowered by a fairly familiar form of nineteenth-century Idealism, the basis for his admiration for Blake and Whitman. Ginsberg opened his poetry to sordid urban realities, and he packed "Howl" with things, with matter. Yet, as we shall see, immersion in what he calls "the total animal soup of time" was the first step in a painful ordeal which ended in the visionary’s flight out of time. Ginsberg’s poem reaches, nervously and ardently, after rest from urban frenzy, a resolution the poet can only find in a vertical transcendence. Ginsberg’s departure from the end-of-the-line modernism was a dramatic but hardly a new one; it took the form of a return to those very romantic models and attitudes that modernism tried to shun.
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/ginsberg/bres...

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 139
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks for all these contributions. This is a new field to me and the German author of my translation text writes in a very concise style I am also distracted by our little kitten who has been with us for nearly three weeks!


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  writeaway
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, writeaway
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