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Fremdunterteil

English translation: rating or assessment by someone else; external rating or assessment

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German term or phrase:Fremdurteil
English translation:rating or assessment by someone else; external rating or assessment
Entered by: Susan Welsh

12:26 Feb 1, 2010
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Psychology / research in clinical context
German term or phrase: Fremdunterteil
This refers to possible limitations of data gathered on foster children in a clinical setting. My guess is that the term means something about the unfamiliar nature of the surroundings and the circumstance of being a research subject, but I cannot find this term anywhere.

Da einige posttraumatische Belastungssymptome, wie z.B. wiederkehrende Erinnerungen oder die Vermeidung, an das traumatisierende Ereignis zu denken, nicht von außen zu beobachten sind, können Symptome einer PTBS im **Fremdunterteil** übersehen worden sein und zu einer Unterschätzung der Belastung beigetragen haben.
Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 02:07
Typo: gemeint "Fremdurteil" /observation by others
Explanation:
Da einige posttraumatische Belastungssymptome, wie z.B. wiederkehrende Erinnerungen oder die Vermeidung, an das traumatisierende Ereignis zu denken, nicht von außen zu beobachten sind, können Symptome einer PTBS im **Fremdunterteil** übersehen worden sein und zu einer Unterschätzung der Belastung beigetragen haben.

..denken kann nicht von aussen erkannt werden. Bei der Erstellung einer psychologischen Diagnose wird ywischen einem Fremdurteil und einer Selbsteinschätzung unterschieden.

Beispiele für die deutsche Nutzung:
1) http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2761160M/Arztbild_im_Selbst-_und_... - Arztbild im Selbst- und Fremdurteil

2) http://books.google.hn/books?id=W_rQVb5gDg0C&pg=PA99&lpg=PA9...
- AUSZUG aus einem Buch "Psychische Gesundheit von Heimkindern: Erste Studie zur Prävalenz "

Speziell Persönlichkeitsattribute werden neben dem Selbsturteil durch ein Fremdurteil ergänzt.

Meine Übersetzung habe ich dem DSM, dem Standardwerk zur Vergabe von Diagnosen, entnommen.

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Nicole Backhaus
Local time: 23:07
Grading comment
Thanks to all. I have now learned that several translations are possible, depending on the context. I think "rating or "assessment by someone else" is the best for my context, which involves combining several of the proposed answers--yet I have to choose only one! What it really means here is rating by the researcher, who is not all that familiar with the individual child. In other situations it can refer to grading by a teacher, or to "external" rating by an institution that is not affiliated with the one in question. But that is not at issue in my case. Special thanks to seehand who clued me in that it was a typo!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4Typo: gemeint "Fremdurteil" /observation by others
Nicole Backhaus
3 +1external rating
Johanna Timm, PhD
2lower reaches of the mind
Jack Long (X)
2external subconscious
franglish


Discussion entries: 8





  

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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
lower reaches of the mind


Explanation:
My guess is that the paragraph refers to clinicians underestimating the severity of the trauma because they overlook some symptoms present in the lower reaches of the mind that are not easily observable from the outside.

I hope it may give you another angle to review.

Jack Long (X)
Local time: 08:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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58 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
external subconscious


Explanation:
an extrapolation: Fremd>external, Unterteil>lower part or sub, subconscious given the context. For Fremdunterteil there's one google hit only describing a mechanical part. External subconscious occurs in relation to hypnosis, among others.

Our perceptions are generally controlled by external subconscious drivers which affect how we think and feel and what we perceive to be acceptable or not. ...
amazines.com/article_detail.cfm/663529?articleid=663529&title...

21 Oct 2009 ... Hypnosis gives you a chance to isolate your external subconscious mind and let your inner self perform the work. ...
richardheller.wordpress.com/.../discovered-how-hypnosis-can-help-change-lives/

franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 08:07
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 14
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Typo: gemeint "Fremdurteil" /observation by others


Explanation:
Da einige posttraumatische Belastungssymptome, wie z.B. wiederkehrende Erinnerungen oder die Vermeidung, an das traumatisierende Ereignis zu denken, nicht von außen zu beobachten sind, können Symptome einer PTBS im **Fremdunterteil** übersehen worden sein und zu einer Unterschätzung der Belastung beigetragen haben.

..denken kann nicht von aussen erkannt werden. Bei der Erstellung einer psychologischen Diagnose wird ywischen einem Fremdurteil und einer Selbsteinschätzung unterschieden.

Beispiele für die deutsche Nutzung:
1) http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2761160M/Arztbild_im_Selbst-_und_... - Arztbild im Selbst- und Fremdurteil

2) http://books.google.hn/books?id=W_rQVb5gDg0C&pg=PA99&lpg=PA9...
- AUSZUG aus einem Buch "Psychische Gesundheit von Heimkindern: Erste Studie zur Prävalenz "

Speziell Persönlichkeitsattribute werden neben dem Selbsturteil durch ein Fremdurteil ergänzt.

Meine Übersetzung habe ich dem DSM, dem Standardwerk zur Vergabe von Diagnosen, entnommen.



Example sentence(s):
  • 1) depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). Note: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood.

    Reference: http://www.mental-health-today.com/bp/dep.htm
Nicole Backhaus
Local time: 23:07
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thanks to all. I have now learned that several translations are possible, depending on the context. I think "rating or "assessment by someone else" is the best for my context, which involves combining several of the proposed answers--yet I have to choose only one! What it really means here is rating by the researcher, who is not all that familiar with the individual child. In other situations it can refer to grading by a teacher, or to "external" rating by an institution that is not affiliated with the one in question. But that is not at issue in my case. Special thanks to seehand who clued me in that it was a typo!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Armorel Young: the only things that makes sense - Fremdurteil/Fremdbeurteilung: assessment by an external observer - hence the Unterschätzung der Belastung
58 mins
agree  Gabriella Bertelmann: agree, that is quite possible
1 hr
agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator): with Armorel!
10 hrs
agree  seehand: wie schon in der Diskussion gesagt
10 hrs
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
external rating


Explanation:
in PTSD literature a common juxtaposition seems to seems to be “self-reported vs. “externally rated ”
or
self- rating vs. external rating

“Furthermore, outcomes can be derived from self-rating (e.g., by depression rating scales or questionnaires measuring attitudes) or by external rating (e.g., by family members or independent external assessors).”
http://www.gencat.cat/salut/imhpa/Du32/pdf/evidence_primer.p...
page 18
“external assessment” would also work well, IMO


Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 23:07
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 122

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  seehand: wie schon in der Diskussion gesagt
8 hrs
  -> ja, ich habe noch die "rating"- Variante recherchiert und neu hinzugefügt
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