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Grübelzwang

English translation: obsessive ruminations

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German term or phrase:Grübelzwang
English translation:obsessive ruminations
Entered by: Yana Dovgopol

14:44 Jun 11, 2012
German to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Psychology
German term or phrase: Grübelzwang
Sie schildern schwere Schlalstoerungen, von Einschlafstoerungen die nicht pathognominisch sind, bis zu Durchschlafstoerungen mit starkem Gruebelzwang in der Nacht.

Dies is aus einem Interview ueber die Diagnose von Depressionen.

Der Moderator fragte den Arzt welche Symptome die Patienten schildern.
Martina Kilgo
United States
Local time: 14:40
ruminations
Explanation:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grübeln

http://www.trickcyclists.co.uk/pocket_psych/ICD-10/F42.0.htm
Selected response from:

Sabine Akabayov, PhD
Israel
Local time: 21:40
Grading comment
Thank you so much for your help sibsab :)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2ruminations
Sabine Akabayov, PhD
4 +2obsessive worrying
Stefanie Reinhold
4 +1intrusive thoughts
uyuni
3ständig über etwas nachdenken müssen
Robin Meurer
3compulsive brooding/fretting
Michael Martin, MA


Discussion entries: 6





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Gruebelzwang
ruminations


Explanation:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grübeln

http://www.trickcyclists.co.uk/pocket_psych/ICD-10/F42.0.htm

Sabine Akabayov, PhD
Israel
Local time: 21:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you so much for your help sibsab :)
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you. :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: Yes, I would go with the ICD definition.
54 mins
  -> Thanks
agree  BrigitteHilgner: Yes - I think terms like "obsession" or "obsessive" go a bit too far.
58 mins
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Gruebelzwang
ständig über etwas nachdenken müssen


Explanation:
Ich verstehe unter "Grübelzwang": zum Grübeln gezwungen werden

anders gesagt vielleicht: ständig über etwas nachdenken müssen / sich Gedanken machen / sich den Kopf zerbrechen / unruhig, nervös sein / "Gedankenrasen" - racing thoughts

ich hoffe es hilft weiter.

Robin Meurer
Germany
Local time: 20:40
Native speaker of: German
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you. :)

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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Gruebelzwang
obsessive worrying


Explanation:
The right term here is 'obsessive worrying'. Zwang implies the patient's need to worry (gruebeln), he/she cannot help herself/himself.


    Reference: http://www.gapsychology.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticl...
Stefanie Reinhold
United States
Local time: 13:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you. :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Usch Pilz
11 mins
agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
5 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Gruebelzwang
intrusive thoughts


Explanation:
*Intrusive thoughts* are unwelcome involuntary thoughts, images, or unpleasant ideas that *may become obsessions*, are upsetting or distressing, and can be *difficult to manage or eliminate*.
...

People who are *clinically depressed* may experience *intrusive thoughts* more intensely, and view them as evidence that they are worthless or sinful people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughts

*Intrusive thoughts in depression* are differentiated from negative automatic thoughts. The intrusive thoughts are often but not always negative, and like intrusive thoughts in non-clinical populations and in other disorders the impact depends on how intrusive thoughts are interpreted. The intrusions typically pop into mind and are often completely unrelated to the ongoing theme of thought. While the content may well be negative and serve to maintain depression the thoughts may also be quite anxiety-producing.
http://iacp.memberclicks.net/assets/CBTBR/cbtbr-vol_24a.pdf

*Grübelzwang*:
Grübeln bezeichnet das Nachdenken über ein Problem oder ein Thema, ohne dass es zu einem Ergebnis kommt. Es ist häufig von negativen Gedanken begleitet, weshalb die Gefühle beim Grüblen depressiven Charakter haben.
http://www.vistano-portal.com/wissenlexikon/psychologie_wiss...

So kann ein Mensch, der weder gewalttätig noch angriffslustig ist, innerhalb eines Zwangsgedankens ständig fürchten, anderen etwas anzutun. *Ein solcher Grübelzwang* kann so weit führen, dass der Denkende selbst daran zweifelt, ob er das Gedachte nicht vielleicht wirklich getan hat. Auf diese Weise kann es zu einem teilweisen Realitätsverlust kommen.
http://www.psychologe.de/beratung/gruebelzwang





uyuni
Local time: 20:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 3

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kate Collyer: especially when added to the 'starkem' for 'highly/intensely/deeply intrusive'
1 hr
  -> Thanks a lot, Kate!
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Gruebelzwang
compulsive brooding/fretting


Explanation:
seems to fit

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 14:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 116
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