6 mins confidence:  
1 hr confidence:
2 hrs confidence: chokehold collar
Explanation:
Collar has to be stiff and upright, it seems, to qualify as a Vatermörderkragen.
Compare with the following sources:
"Als Vatermörder wird ein steifer, vorne offener, hoher Stehkragen des Herrenoberhemdes bezeichnet. Die lose nach oben abstehenden spitzen Enden des Vatermörders reichen bis über das Kinn.[1]" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatermörder
"By the end of the 19th century, stiff, upright collars gradually began to loosen and diminish in size. Doctors believed that stiff collars posed medical concerns for their patients and in 1917, a physician named Walter G. Walford published a book called “Dangers in Neckwear” where he claimed that ailments including eczema, headaches, vertigo, strokes, deafness and many other illnesses could be directly attributed to tight neckwear. He further claimed that be loosening the collar, one could swiftly recover from a variety of ailments." https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/evolution-neckwear-tie-cra...
Here are our top 9 #shirtproblems:
half shirt
naked wrists
dress blouse
miami vice collar
big guy in a little shirt
cover up
chokehold collar
too short sleeves
chokehold
https://tealapparel.com/category/pants/
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 4 hrs (2018-05-04 15:35:33 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I was almost tempted to post "stiff upper tip" to emphasize that one characteristic that everybody seems to be ignoring here (Stehkragen) but that would have landed me in treacherous territory..
| Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 23:03
Works in field
Native speaker of:  German, English
PRO pts in category: 20
|
| |
| | Login to enter a peer comment (or grade) |
5 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +2 Gladstone collar
Explanation:
This applies in particular if the collar tips are folded over/forward, i.e., you'd be looking at the "Kläppchenkragen" variant of the Vatermörder. The wing tip collar is a modern descendant of the Gladstone. Here are a few references:
https://www.wholesaleclearance.co.uk/blog/reference-guide-to...
http://www.fatherbrown.de/anmerkungen/01-einfalt/03-die-sond...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collar_(clothing)
https://www.slideshare.net/suniltalekar1/elements-of-fashion...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatermörder
https://www.gq-magazin.de/mode-stil/fashion-guides/article/w...
| Hans-Jochen Trost
United States
Local time: 22:03
Native speaker of:  German
PRO pts in category: 4
|
| | Grading comment | Selected automatically based on peer agreement. |
|
8 hrs confidence: detachable high collar
Explanation:
Detachable starched collars became commonly worn on men's shirts around 1850. The idea was to present a clean appearance to the world without the expense of laundering the whole shirt.
http://www.darcyclothing.com/shop/collars.html
Detachable High-Collar
Nicknamed the “father killer,” the detachable high-collar was a popular men’s accessory in the 19th century that was attached to the shirt by studs. Seemingly harmless, the collar was so stiff and tight that it actually could cut off a man’s circulation, causing asphyxia or an abscess of the brain. In an obituary for John Cruetzi in 1888, The New York Times wrote, “His head dropped over on his chest and then his stiff collar stopped the windpipe and checked the flow of blood through the already contracted veins, causing the death to ensue from asphyxia and apoplexy.” In 1912, a man named William F. Dillon died from a similar situation. “Mr. Dillon apparently suffered from an attack of indigestion which caused a slight swelling of his neck and the collar choked him to death,” the paper said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/corsets-muslin-disease-and-mor...
| | | | Login to enter a peer comment (or grade) |
1 day 23 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +1 patricide collar
Explanation:
The urban legend that a son slit his father's throat by accident with one of these collars appears to have led to the the name being adopted in English as well as German.
Example sentence(s):- There are many types of detachable collar, including the gloriously named patricide collar.
Reference: http://walternelson.com/dr/node/211
https://julieweathers.com/2016/04/16/blogging-z-n-neckcloth
| | |
| | Login to enter a peer comment (or grade) |
23 hrs confidence: soup-dipping collar
Explanation:
If French humour was still in style.
Titel T. M., Typografische Monatsblätter, Band 84;Band 1965
Mitwirkende Personen Schweizerischer Typographenbund
Original von Pennsylvania State University
Digitalisiert 18. Sept. 2009
Jahrhunderts nannte man einen mit langen Spitzen besetzten Hemdenkragen, wie er der damaligen Mode entsprach, einen parasite, das heißt einen Parasiten, einen Schmarotzer, weil er seiner Form wegen stets in Gefahr war, Suppen usw. mitzuessen. Aber diese scherzhafte Bezeichnung haben die Deutschen, als sie sie übernahmen, um sie zu übersetzen, mißverstanden. Sie verwechselten parasite mit dem lautlich anklingenden parricide (Vatermörder), vergleiche den Parricida ...
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 23 hrs (2018-05-05 10:28:46 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Also in Duden:
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Vatermoerder
[wohl volksetymologische Umdeutung der älteren Bezeichnung französisch parasite (= »Mitesser«, an den langen, nach oben gerichteten Ecken blieben leicht Speisereste hängen) zu: parricide = Vatermörder (1)] (scherzhaft) (früher getragener) hoher, steifer Kragen an Herrenhemden mit aufwärts bis an die Wangen ragenden Spitzen
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day 20 hrs (2018-05-06 07:25:13 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
That should be soup-slurping or food-catching/mooching :)
For your purposes, 'Edwardian wing collar', which keeps some of the German flair, might be good.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-wing-collar.htm
The wing-collar shirt is thought to have originated during the Edwardian era in the early 1900s. It may have been popularized by the British monarch King Edward VII, who was typically known for "evening informal" attire. Edward VII might have worn a highly starched wing-collar shirt with a tailcoat and matching trousers.
https://www.cycleworld.com/2016/03/07/motogp-racing-motorcyc...
Look at the devices currently being tested; Yamaha and Ducati have shown stubby “moustache” winglets, located in the accelerated airflow moving around the fairing nose, and Honda’s look like the turned-up points of an Edwardian gentleman’s wing collar
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 days 21 hrs (2018-05-07 08:46:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I personally like "pique-assiette" collar. No search hits, but it sounds like a real style that real people in Europe would wear.
Inspired by The Mooch:
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/the-mooch.3347030/
| | | | Login to enter a peer comment (or grade) |
Login or register (free and only takes a few minutes) to participate in this question.
You will also have access to many other tools and opportunities designed for those who have language-related jobs
(or are passionate about them). Participation is free and the site has a strict confidentiality policy.
KudoZ™ translation help
The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators and others to assist each other with translations or explanations of terms and short phrases.
See also: Search millions of term translations
You can request verification for native languages by completing a simple application that takes only a couple of minutes.
Review native language verification applications submitted by your peers. Reviewing applications can be fun and only takes a few minutes.
View applications
|
|
