Tschocherl

English translation: dive/hole-in-the-wall/watering hole/corner café

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German term or phrase:Tschocherl
English translation:dive/hole-in-the-wall/watering hole/corner café
Entered by: Ramey Rieger (X)

17:35 Mar 9, 2017
German to English translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel / Viennese slang
German term or phrase: Tschocherl
I'm looking for an English equivalent of a Tschocherl - a Viennese word often used to describe a small Beisl or Weinstüberl round the corner.

the Ostarrichi.org definition at http://www.ostarrichi.org/wort-5031-Tschocherl-kleines_meist...

is "kleines, meist schlechtes Café"

Would "spit-and-sawdust" work in British English?
Michael Bailey
Austria
Local time: 13:31
dive/hole-in-the-wall
Explanation:
both are rather negative terms, but can also be a fond moniker fot one's local café, bistro or cabaret
Selected response from:

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 13:31
Grading comment
Went for dive in the end - the term gets used on a few sites like knowhere.co.uk
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Summary of answers provided
3 +6dive/hole-in-the-wall
Ramey Rieger (X)
4 +2corner cafe
Michael Martin, MA
4 +2watering hole
Lancashireman
2old-school bar
Axel Dittmer


Discussion entries: 10





  

Answers


14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
dive/hole-in-the-wall


Explanation:
both are rather negative terms, but can also be a fond moniker fot one's local café, bistro or cabaret

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 13:31
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 56
Grading comment
Went for dive in the end - the term gets used on a few sites like knowhere.co.uk
Notes to answerer
Asker: @ Johanna - interesting that in that link it talks about a "Spelunke" in Germany.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Wendy Streitparth: Yes, like dive and just "hole" would do too.
1 hr
  -> Dump would also do it. Hope you're well Wendy!

agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/164034/a-word-for...
1 hr
  -> Greetings, my dear!

agree  phillee: Dive covers everything
2 hrs
  -> It was also the name of a club I played at in New York!

agree  AllegroTrans: dive
2 hrs
  -> In!

agree  writeaway: Great, really really great
3 hrs
  -> Nothing trumped-up about it.

agree  Harris Morgan: Yes, "dive" works for me
5 hrs
  -> Jack-knife or just a big splash?

disagree  James Nixon: A hole in the wall in BE would be an ATM, and a dive bar is a mainly US concept, so I do not think either would be appropriate for BE.
21 hrs
  -> You're entitled.

agree  jccantrell: I thought immediatel of 'dive bar' in the USA if they have a liquor license. Can't even guess about BE.
2 days 21 hrs
  -> Hi JJ. Dive (without bar) is listed in the OED, albeit as an Americanism. But still, it's there.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
corner cafe


Explanation:
Perhaps even 'corner pub'. Some sources refer to it as a Cafe, some as Lokal. How bad they are seems to be in the eyes of the beholder. Some sources say they're heruntergekommen, some say they're gemütlich... But they're not big - that's one thing sources seem to agree on..

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 08:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 46

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lancashireman: Something with 'corner', possibly 'corner bar', because that describes it in non-judgemental terms.
22 hrs
  -> Exactly. Locals probably take them for granted and may not get excited about them but will miss them when they’re gone.

agree  Edith Kelly
1 day 12 hrs
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16 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
old-school bar


Explanation:
or
neighborhood bar
Smoking, wallpaper, floor carpet, old sofas, dark old 'grannie' furniture... with large floral prints...
http://derstandard.at/1379291779324/Wenn-der-Reini-im-Espres...

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Note added at 16 hrs (2017-03-10 09:38:47 GMT)
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'a tribute to former times' see discussion

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Note added at 16 hrs (2017-03-10 10:03:03 GMT)
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2016/06/16/golden_days_bef...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2017-03-10 20:04:14 GMT)
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http://www.travelandleisure.com/slideshows/best-old-restaura...

https://de.foursquare.com/locationsite/list/berlins-best-old...

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/bars/the-best-old-school-pubs...



Axel Dittmer
Germany
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
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1 day 17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
watering hole


Explanation:
I looked at Ramey's 'hole in the wall' and thought close but not close enough, at least for a Brit expat. But it did at least inspire this late entry. 'Favourite watering holes' can be found all over the Commonwealth. They are though of with fondness rather than contempt ('dive').

London
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=watering ...

Sydney
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=watering ...

Toronto
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=watering ...

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Note added at 10 days (2017-03-20 14:22:05 GMT)
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Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 134

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  oa_xxx (X)
4 hrs

agree  Edith Kelly: I also have to agree here, it is a typical Irish expression, not sure about it in the UK.
1 day 20 hrs
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