b'ta.a.nugim

English translation: בתענוגים - with pleasures

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Hebrew term or phrase:	b'ta.a.nugim
English translation:	בתענוגים - with pleasures
Entered by:	Lingopro

19:09 Apr 30, 2010

Hebrew to English translations [PRO]
Poetry & Literature / Mah Y'didut

Hebrew term or phrase: b'ta.a.nugim

A repeating line in the song "Mah Y'didut"

L'hit.a.neig b'ta.a.nugim

What is b'taanugim? Does it have a historical significance?

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בתענוגים - with pleasures

Explanation:
In the link there is religious reference.
There may be a more appropriate word (e.g. gratifications/delights/luxuries) - depending on the style of the song (there are a few songs with מה ידידות in the title, so I'm not sure which you mean).

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Note added at 27 mins (2010-04-30 19:36:50 GMT)
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Well, I think desertfox just agreed with me on pleasures, and I quote his note:
"To indulge in pleasures is the translation of the whole of it."

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Note added at 52 mins (2010-04-30 20:01:48 GMT)
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IMHO, the song in your link is all about the Sabbath, nothing sexual about it.

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Lingopro
Israel
Local time: 08:46

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בתענוגים - with pleasures

Lingopro

to gratify

Gad Kohenov

Discussion entries: 3

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15 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

בתענוגים - with pleasures

Lingopro
Israel
Local time: 08:46
Native speaker of:

English,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 6

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for your reply. This is the link to the song: http://books.google.com/books?id=v-rqYJG7czoC&pg=RA2-PA108-IA1&lpg=RA2-PA108-IA1&dq=Mah+Y+didut&source=bl&ots=SVKBXUgZC6&sig=HdOGeIIvlZiVXiC6LGQLzLxjyrs&hl=en&ei=RCbbS9W6KYrQ8wSnnZRW&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Mah%20Y%20didut&f=false

Asker: I think it's wonderful that there is agreement in the meaning of the translation, I didn't see anything negative in Lingopro's statement. Back to the discussion, in the English translation there seems to be a sexual connotation. Is it also present in Hebrew?

5 mins confidence:

to gratify

Explanation:
to gratify yourself.

תַּעֲנוּג
(ז') [מן ענג] עֹנֶג, נְעִימוּת, הֲנָאָה: "מַה-יָּפִית וּמַה-נָּעַמְתְּ אַהֲבָה בַּתַּעֲנוּגִים" (שיר השירים ז ז). "שָׁרִים וְשָׁרוֹת וְתַעֲנֻגוֹת בְּנֵי הָאָדָם" (קֹהלת ב ח). "עֵת רָעָה תְּשַׁכַּח תַּעֲנוּג" (בן סירא יא לג). "אִם לְתַעֲנוּג – מֻתָּר, אִם לִרְפוּאָה – אָסוּר" (ירושלמי שבת יד ג). "לֹא נִתְּנָה הַשַּׁבָּת אֶלָּא לְתַעֲנוּג" (פסיקתא רבתי, קכא.). "וּבְרֶגַע קָטֹן שֶׁל תַּעֲנוּג, שֶׁל אשֶׁר וָגִיל" (ביאליק, העיניים). אָדָם רוֹדֵף תַּעֲנוּגוֹת.
[תַּעֲנוּג-, תַּעֲנוּגִים גם תַּעֲנוּגוֹת]

Plural can be תענוגים in masculin or תענוגות in feminin.

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Note added at 23 mins (2010-04-30 19:32:30 GMT)
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I say it's plural and masculine.
בתענוגות would be plural and feminine
both are correct.

to enjoy yourself with pleasures.
From a song:

לְהִתְעַנֵּג בְּתַעֲנוּגִים, בַּרְבֻּרִים וּשְׂלָו וְדָגִים

To indulge in pleasures is the translation of the whole of it.

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Note added at 9 hrs (2010-05-01 04:12:09 GMT)
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Simon mentions the original and it is in line with theלְהִתְעַנֵּג בְּתַעֲנוּגִים, בַּרְבֻּרִים וּשְׂלָו וְדָגִים which I mentioned. Maybe they copied from the original.

The text you gave is impersonal. תענוגים or תענוגות
was just a remark I made about the a curious fact. Just like having a singular in feminin and a plural in masculin (or the other way around).

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Note added at 19 hrs (2010-05-01 14:16:29 GMT)
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You have to decide yourself, judging from the context, whether it is carnal pleasures or culinary pleasures etc.
This should have been a pro question. It is not an easy one.

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Note added at 20 hrs (2010-05-01 15:45:00 GMT)
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Best is to contact moderator.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Local time: 08:46
Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 28

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for the fast reply. I can read Hebrew letters, but do not understand the language. So you're saying b'ta.a.nugim is plural? What does the whole line L'hit.a.neig b'ta.a.nugim mean? Thank you so much!

Asker: Thank you! :-)

Asker: One more question, if I can bother you. Is it clear in the wording what exactly is masculine and plural? I understand that in Hebrew, much is open to interpretation. Is it men indulging in pleasure together as a group? Or something else? Thank you!

Asker: I agree, this should be a pro question. I didn't realize it was so complicated. I don't know how to reclassify. Is it something I can do or should I call for an admin?

Asker: I requested to reclassify this question as pro. Thank you Elli, does anyone know what a ta'annug is? Does "im" make it plural? The reason I asked this question originally, is because someone was saying a a ta'annug is a location, like a building or a temple where people congregate for pleasure. The person saying this has no knowledge of Hebrew, so I wanted to ask here. Thank you everyone, for participating in this discussion. Maybe we can review all the Hebrew texts... Just kidding!!! :-)

Asker: Also, what does the b' signify?

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