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discorso gastronomico

English translation: \"In gastronomy...:\"

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Italian term or phrase:discorso gastronomico
English translation:\"In gastronomy...:\"
Entered by: Maria Fokin

16:38 Aug 5, 2013
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Cooking / Culinary
Italian term or phrase: discorso gastronomico
Nel discorso gastronomico, quale è il ruolo degli alimenti, ed in particolare di quelli ritenuti o mitizzati come identitari? Più che agli alimenti bisogna fare riferimento ai processi di decostruzione del discorso gastronomico che può rendere evidenti gli elementi specifici, spesso espressi in modo inconscio anche attraverso linguaggi mitici, con i quali è possibile ricostruire un discorso identitario sociale, che inoltre varia con il tempo ed è diverso da luogo a luogo.

Thank you for any suggestions!
Maria Fokin
Italy
Local time: 01:42
"In gastronomy...:"
Explanation:
= "Nel discorso gastronomico"

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Note added at 11 mins (2013-08-05 16:50:31 GMT)
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Reformulating a sentence without diverging from its meaning is part and parcel of the translator's work!
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Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:42
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3"In gastronomy...:"
Tom in London
4 +3gastronomic discourse
philgoddard
4when speaking of the culinary art
James (Jim) Davis
3food and drink
Francesca Casanova
3gastronomic science(s)
cynthiatesser


  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
food and drink


Explanation:
Potrebbe essere:

Food and drink wise....



Francesca Casanova
Italy
Local time: 01:42
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
"In gastronomy...:"


Explanation:
= "Nel discorso gastronomico"

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Note added at 11 mins (2013-08-05 16:50:31 GMT)
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Reformulating a sentence without diverging from its meaning is part and parcel of the translator's work!

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 52
Notes to answerer
Asker: that's what I have been using but was having doubts because it was requiring quite a bit of sentence reformulation. Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  P.L.F. Persio: parole sante!
1 hr
agree  Cristina Gonzalez
1 hr
agree  Elena Zanetti
4 hrs
agree  Inter-Tra: here 'Nel discorso gastronomico, quale..' yes
4 hrs
disagree  JudyC: discourse: the totality of codified language (vocabulary) used in a given field of intellectual enquiry and of social practice, such as legal discourse, medical discourse, religious discourse...
19 hrs
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
gastronomic science(s)


Explanation:
my guess ...

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Note added at 7 mins (2013-08-05 16:46:19 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Gastronomic_Scien...

http://www.educaedu.co.uk/institutions/gastronomic-sciences/...

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Note added at 17 mins (2013-08-05 16:55:50 GMT)
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I think you have to adapt the term to the context every time you encounter it, so there is not one only translation

when discussing gastronomy ...
the discussion about gastronomy
gastronomic argumentations
gastronomy
the matter of gastronomy
...

cynthiatesser
Italy
Local time: 01:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Italian
PRO pts in category: 8
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
gastronomic discourse


Explanation:
I know it sounds pretentious, but the Italian is pretentious.

I think you have to retain the literal meaning because the Italian phraseology has been deliberately chosen - it talks about constructing and deconstructing gastronomic discourse and the language it uses. However, to avoid repeating discourse too much, you could do as Tom has done and leave it out the first time it comes up.

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-08-05 17:56:38 GMT)
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Maybe it's not fair to say that the Italian is pretentious, but it's certainly rarefied, and "discorso" has a specific meaning which needs to be preserved in the translation.

Example sentence(s):
  • It is precisely the issue of such point of view—the Nietzschean question of who is speaking—that determines our faith in a given gastronomic discourse and ...
  • Dubois' more general argument is that the connection between the two texts was important in establishing the literary value of gastronomic discourse and the scientific value of novelistic discourse...

    Reference: http://cms.cabinetmagazine.org:82/issues/2/gastronomictwo.ht...
    Reference: http://www.rc.umd.edu/praxis/gastronomy/wilner/wilner_notes....
philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  JudyC
47 mins
agree  Inter-Tra: here 'decostruzione del discorso gastronomico' yes
2 hrs
agree  Juliana De Angelis
11 hrs
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
when speaking of the culinary art


Explanation:
What, when speaking of the culinary art, ....
Or "in terms of the culinary art". It is unusual to begin a sentenc with an adverbial phrase of place in English (even a figurative phrase), while it is very common in Italian.

James (Jim) Davis
Seychelles
Local time: 03:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27
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