Sistema castrense

English translation: encastellation / incastellamento

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Italian term or phrase:Sistema castrense
English translation:encastellation / incastellamento
Entered by: P.L.F. Persio

08:05 Mar 22, 2016
Italian to English translations [PRO]
History / Land organisation
Italian term or phrase: Sistema castrense
I'm translating the history of a church which includes its relationship with other local monasteries and power holders. In the 9th and 10th centuries, this text speaks of "il definitivo passaggio dal sistema “curtenseˮ, legato alla signoria fondiaria, a quello “castrenseˮ vincolato alla signoria territoriale". For "sistema curtense" I've found "manorialism", but I've not found a corresponding translation for "sistema curtense". I thought of translating it simply as "castram based", but I'm not sure non-specialist English readers would understand. Does anyone have a better idea? Many thanks, Sarah.
Sarah Gregg
Italy
Local time: 02:32
encastellation / incastellamento
Explanation:
Reference information:
The following link could be a first step in the right direction:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signoria_di_banno
towards:
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/incastellamento/
Complesso movimento mediante il quale si sono operati in Italia, tra il 920 e il 1030, l’accentramento umano in abitati d’altura, chiusi e raggruppati (castelli o castra), la ricomposizione dei terreni e la loro gerarchizzazione all’interno di vere e proprie circoscrizioni, portando così alla nascita di un paesaggio caratteristico e duraturo. Appare come uno dei più profondi rivolgimenti strutturali conosciuti nell’Europa mediterranea nel corso del Medioevo. (...) L’i. propriamente detto ebbe inizio, perciò, al momento della riorganizzazione degli abitati preesistenti e riguardò allo stesso modo le strutture fondiarie e agrarie, l’inquadramento politico e religioso e anche l’organizzazione familiare, modificando tutti gli aspetti della vita sociale.

See also https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UKyeSpSYrREC&pg=PA11&lpg...


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And here's a review of John Howe's book "Church Reform & Social Change in Eleventh-Century Italy: Dominic of Sora and His Patrons", the book in the above google link: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/journals/index.php/tmr/article/v...
Howe is perhaps on less solid footing when he is discussing the nature of settlement and what he calls 'encastellation'. English-speaking historians of medieval Italy have tended to prefer the Italian word incastellamento, rather than its awkward English translation, to describe a phenomenon that emerges in Italy around the turn of the millennium. This is because incastellamento means not only 'encastellation' but also entails other processes, which differ substantially from region to region and may not even involve the actual construction of a castle, or castello. The classical model of the incastellamento was articulated by the French scholar Pierre Toubert in his magisterial work on southern Lazio and the Sabini in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, entitled Les structures du Latium meridional et la Sabine du IXe siecle a la fin du XIIe siecle (Rome, 1973). For Toubert, the incastellamento was characterized mainly by the concentration of previously dispersed settlements and services into newly fortified centres, land clearance, political decentralisation, the extension of seigneurial power, and economic contraction.
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Thanks again to everyone :-).
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3 +2encastellation / incastellamento
P.L.F. Persio
3castrensian system
Sabrina Bruna
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Wendy Streitparth
encastellation
P.L.F. Persio

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castrensian system


Explanation:
My proposal

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http://www.vallelune.it/wp/castel-di-mura-1/

http://www.italialangobardorum.it/eng/sito/news.asp?seza=3&s...


    Reference: http://www.navigazionegolfodeipoeti.it/en/towns-and-faciliti...
Sabrina Bruna
Italy
Local time: 02:32
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
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1 day 6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
encastellation / incastellamento


Explanation:
Reference information:
The following link could be a first step in the right direction:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signoria_di_banno
towards:
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/incastellamento/
Complesso movimento mediante il quale si sono operati in Italia, tra il 920 e il 1030, l’accentramento umano in abitati d’altura, chiusi e raggruppati (castelli o castra), la ricomposizione dei terreni e la loro gerarchizzazione all’interno di vere e proprie circoscrizioni, portando così alla nascita di un paesaggio caratteristico e duraturo. Appare come uno dei più profondi rivolgimenti strutturali conosciuti nell’Europa mediterranea nel corso del Medioevo. (...) L’i. propriamente detto ebbe inizio, perciò, al momento della riorganizzazione degli abitati preesistenti e riguardò allo stesso modo le strutture fondiarie e agrarie, l’inquadramento politico e religioso e anche l’organizzazione familiare, modificando tutti gli aspetti della vita sociale.

See also https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UKyeSpSYrREC&pg=PA11&lpg...


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Note added at 1 hr (2016-03-22 10:05:17 GMT)
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And here's a review of John Howe's book "Church Reform & Social Change in Eleventh-Century Italy: Dominic of Sora and His Patrons", the book in the above google link: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/journals/index.php/tmr/article/v...
Howe is perhaps on less solid footing when he is discussing the nature of settlement and what he calls 'encastellation'. English-speaking historians of medieval Italy have tended to prefer the Italian word incastellamento, rather than its awkward English translation, to describe a phenomenon that emerges in Italy around the turn of the millennium. This is because incastellamento means not only 'encastellation' but also entails other processes, which differ substantially from region to region and may not even involve the actual construction of a castle, or castello. The classical model of the incastellamento was articulated by the French scholar Pierre Toubert in his magisterial work on southern Lazio and the Sabini in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, entitled Les structures du Latium meridional et la Sabine du IXe siecle a la fin du XIIe siecle (Rome, 1973). For Toubert, the incastellamento was characterized mainly by the concentration of previously dispersed settlements and services into newly fortified centres, land clearance, political decentralisation, the extension of seigneurial power, and economic contraction.


    Reference: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incastellamento
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encastellation
P.L.F. Persio
Netherlands
Local time: 02:32
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Thanks again to everyone :-).

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agree  Inter-Tra: pag 372 - https://issuu.com/josevicentevaldenebro/docs/proceedings_int...
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  -> grazie cara, trovi sempre grandi link!

agree  Isabelle Johnson
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  -> thank you so much, Isabelle!
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Reference

Reference information:
Don't know if this could apply:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=acuKBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA232&lp...

The castle system ended in the late Middle Ages with the introduction of Chinese gunpowder and cannon.

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Native speaker of: English
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Asker: Thanks for the link... yes that's certainly what it is, but maybe there's a more "technical" way of describing it... the equivalent of "manorialism".

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Reference: encastellation

Reference information:
The following link could be a first step in the right direction:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signoria_di_banno
towards:
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/incastellamento/
Complesso movimento mediante il quale si sono operati in Italia, tra il 920 e il 1030, l’accentramento umano in abitati d’altura, chiusi e raggruppati (castelli o castra), la ricomposizione dei terreni e la loro gerarchizzazione all’interno di vere e proprie circoscrizioni, portando così alla nascita di un paesaggio caratteristico e duraturo. Appare come uno dei più profondi rivolgimenti strutturali conosciuti nell’Europa mediterranea nel corso del Medioevo. (...) L’i. propriamente detto ebbe inizio, perciò, al momento della riorganizzazione degli abitati preesistenti e riguardò allo stesso modo le strutture fondiarie e agrarie, l’inquadramento politico e religioso e anche l’organizzazione familiare, modificando tutti gli aspetti della vita sociale.

See also https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UKyeSpSYrREC&pg=PA11&lpg...


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Note added at 1 hr (2016-03-22 10:05:17 GMT)
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And here's a review of John Howe's book "Church Reform & Social Change in Eleventh-Century Italy: Dominic of Sora and His Patrons", the book in the above google link: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/journals/index.php/tmr/article/v...
Howe is perhaps on less solid footing when he is discussing the nature of settlement and what he calls 'encastellation'. English-speaking historians of medieval Italy have tended to prefer the Italian word incastellamento, rather than its awkward English translation, to describe a phenomenon that emerges in Italy around the turn of the millennium. This is because incastellamento means not only 'encastellation' but also entails other processes, which differ substantially from region to region and may not even involve the actual construction of a castle, or castello. The classical model of the incastellamento was articulated by the French scholar Pierre Toubert in his magisterial work on southern Lazio and the Sabini in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, entitled Les structures du Latium meridional et la Sabine du IXe siecle a la fin du XIIe siecle (Rome, 1973). For Toubert, the incastellamento was characterized mainly by the concentration of previously dispersed settlements and services into newly fortified centres, land clearance, political decentralisation, the extension of seigneurial power, and economic contraction.

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Hi Sarah, I'm going to post it right now. Thank you!


    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incastellamento
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encastellation
P.L.F. Persio
Netherlands
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Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 12
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks to you all... I'd like to use this option, but not sure how to select a reference. Could you also post it as an answer?


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