aut aut organizzativo

English translation: organisational "must-dos"

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Italian term or phrase:	aut aut organizzativo
English translation:	organisational "must-dos"
Entered by:	Tom in London

14:49 Jan 20, 2015

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Human Resources

Italian term or phrase: aut aut organizzativo

Ciao a tutti,

in una presentazione sul team work trovo un elenco di aut aut organizzativi, titolato anche in modo sbagliato perchè è scritto "out out organizzativi".
Segue una tabella con coppie di possibilità di azione.
Ora vi chiedo aiuto, a parte il contattare il cliente per chiedere se si intende l' "aut aut latino", come credo, o altro, io sarei per lasciare "organisational aut aut" nella traduzione. Cosa dite? Mi confermate anche se dovrei renderlo al plurale? io non credo... ma non sono sicura
Grazie mille!
Ciao

Beatrice Faedo
Italy

organisational "must-dos"

Explanation:
without seeing the list itself, this is my spontaneous suggestion

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Note added at 3 mins (2015-01-20 14:52:33 GMT)
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aut tunc, aut nunquam (sing to the tune of "O Sole Mio)

:)

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Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:22

Grading comment

Thanks Phil!
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Summary of answers provided

3 +4

organisational "must-dos"

Tom in London

4 +2

organisational options

philgoddard

organizational obligation

Teresa Valaer

organisational dos and don'ts

Linda Thody

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2 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

organisational "must-dos"

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:22
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 72

Grading comment

Thanks Phil!

Notes to answerer

Asker: Yes, that's it! Thanks Tom, I couldn't remember it! ;-) I like aut tunc, aut numquam :-) Ciao!

46 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

organisational options

Explanation:
It means "either...or...", so ""either/ors" would be one possible translation. You could also say alternatives.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2015-01-20 17:17:43 GMT)
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Pompeo says it means that one of the alternatives is too unpleasant to contemplate. I know he's a native speaker, but that's not what Wikipedia says:

La locuzione latina àut àut, che deriva da un raddoppiamento della congiunzione latina aut, è traducibile in italiano come un "o" disgiuntivo con il significato di "o questo o quello". Una scelta in cui un termine esclude l'altro (ad esempio: aut Caesar, aut nihil "o imperatore o niente"), a differenza di vel...vel, che oppone due termini non necessariamente in contrapposizione tra loro.

Nell'uso comune della lingua italiana però l'espressione "aut aut" è utilizzata anche per definire una scelta biunivoca direzionata "o di qua o di là", e in generale per alludere all'obbligo di esprimere una scelta imposta a chi esita a prendere una posizione.

Come nell'espressione tertium non datur, sta a significare che una terza soluzione non esiste rispetto a una situazione che ne contempla soltanto due.

Data la diffusione dell'espressione, usata anche da molte persone che ignorano il latino, capita con una certa frequenza di vederla scritta come out out (o out-out), quasi che si trattasse di parole inglesi e non latine (a volte peraltro con voluta ambiguità, come nel caso di diversi locali che portano questo nome)[1]

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My original suggestion of "options" is probably too open ended. Since there are only two options in each case, a better translation would be "either/or options" or "either/or alternatives".

Reference: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aut

philgoddard
United States
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 55

Notes to answerer

Asker: It is actually in the sense of the tertium non datur. There are couple of options, not many. Maybe your either/or options is the best solution. Thanks!

19 hrs confidence:

organisational dos and don'ts

Explanation:
I think in English it would most likely be something like "dos and don'ts"

Linda Thody
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:22
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

4 days confidence:

organizational obligation

Explanation:
The actual definition of "aut aut" is "ultimatum". perhaps here it sounds too threatening.

Example sentence(s):

Finally, employees must often depend on multiple organizational agents to fulfill organizational obligations.

https://books.google.it/books?id=qTqUpjjp4uYC&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=%22organizational+obligations%22&source=bl&ots=P-Z4BhmPMJ&sig=h9HxwQwXL9

Teresa Valaer
Italy
Local time: 13:22
Native speaker of: English

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