Patrocinio Forense Ridotto

English translation: Restricted Principal Practice

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Italian term or phrase:Patrocinio Forense Ridotto
English translation:Restricted Principal Practice
Entered by: Cinzia Michelis

08:55 Mar 2, 2020
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / Bar certification
Italian term or phrase: Patrocinio Forense Ridotto
This appears in a Certification of registration with an Italian Bar as a Trainee Lawyer. Can it be translated with Limited Scope Representation or is it only for US law? (I need UK/Common law). Thanks!
Cinzia Michelis
Italy
Local time: 12:49
Restricted Principal Practice
Explanation:
Your certificate refers to the Italian system and it should be translated accordingly. The main reference law is 247/2012, which reformed what a trainee lawyer can and cannot do in Italy during his/her traineeship period.
My understanding of Limited Scope Representation is that a client choses to access only certain services of an attorney, while doing the rest himself. So-called "unbundling" of services. Normally to save money and attorney fees.
The answer I have provided is used in common law juristictions and in Scotland, which is a kind of "fusion" of common and civil law. hope this helps.
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Alison Kennedy
Italy
Local time: 12:49
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4Restricted Principal Practice
Alison Kennedy
3Limited Rights of Audience under Supervision; (UK & IrE) Devilling
Adrian MM.


  

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Restricted Principal Practice


Explanation:
Your certificate refers to the Italian system and it should be translated accordingly. The main reference law is 247/2012, which reformed what a trainee lawyer can and cannot do in Italy during his/her traineeship period.
My understanding of Limited Scope Representation is that a client choses to access only certain services of an attorney, while doing the rest himself. So-called "unbundling" of services. Normally to save money and attorney fees.
The answer I have provided is used in common law juristictions and in Scotland, which is a kind of "fusion" of common and civil law. hope this helps.

Alison Kennedy
Italy
Local time: 12:49
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 650
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Asker: Many thanks!


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neutral  philgoddard: I agree with the first sentence of your explanation, and I'm sure the rest of it is correct, but you haven't given references.
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Limited Rights of Audience under Supervision; (UK & IrE) Devilling


Explanation:
E&W: would square with the authority in the second six-month stint of one-year pupillage for trainee Barristers who are allowed to appear in court under the supervision of an experienced pupil-master or mistress! (QC or Senior Litigation Solicitor). No such authority during the first six months of training cf. the similar training of a Solicitor-Advocate or Legal Executive-Advocate.

Scotland: a Trainee Advocate is called a 'Devil', rather than a Pupil, namely (also E&W) 'devilling' (taking on) briefs ) cases of qualified Scots Advocates.

English into German ProZ translators recently had a problem getting their heads around these kinds of legal traineeship, even though there is a Rechtsrefendarzeit in DEU and Gerichtspraxis in AUT - court practice known in the UK as 'marshalling' e.g. of the judge's case papers.

'A pupillage is the final stage of training to be a barrister and usually lasts one year; in England and Wales the period is made up of two six-month periods (known as "sixes"). The first of these is the non-practising six, during which pupils shadow their pupil supervisor, and the second will be a practising six, when pupils can undertake to supply legal services and *exercise rights of audience (court appearances)*.'




    Reference: http://eng.proz.com/kudoz/italian-to-english/law-general/431...
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devilling
Adrian MM.
Austria
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PRO pts in category: 338
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