vini eccentrici

English translation: designer wines

12:12 Mar 9, 2020

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Italian term or phrase: vini eccentrici

How would you translate vini eccentrici in this context. My understanding is wines that are not produced in-house, i.e. the grapes are grown in a vineyard and sent somewhere else for production, correct me if I'm wrong. But what is the succinct English translation? Thanks for your help!

I nostri vini sono dunque delle creature viventi, generate da forze molteplici complementari: in primis le caratteristiche del vitigno, poi quelle del terroir ed infine le nostre cure, ma anche la nostra creatività. Non troverete mai nei nostri vini profumi e aromi artefatti, industriali, costruiti in cantina, per soddisfare il gusto del mercato, ma nemmeno vini eccentrici, frutto di una creatività estranea al contesto in cui vive.

Sarah Webb KudoZ activity Questions: 561 (1 open) (27 closed without grading) Answers: 3 United Kingdom
Local time: 02:54

English translation:designer wines

Explanation:
the sentence makes clear that this is strictly about wines produced by the vineyard
designer wines are a new marketing ploy from creative Southern Hemisphere producers

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Wolfgang Hager
Italy
Local time: 03:54

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3 +2

designer wines

Wolfgang Hager

bizarre wines

Vittorio Ferretti

Quirky

Kathryn Jones

eclectic wines

Jeanie Eldon

eccentric/alternatrive/emerging wines

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón

4 -1

otlandish wines

Michael Korovkin

authentic wines

Wendy Streitparth

Discussion entries: 4

Michael Korovkin

Italy

here, "nemmeno" simply means "nor"

16:01 Mar 10, 2020

In our wines you would never find idustrial flavours and scents artificially concocted in the cellar to cater to the market fashions, nor would you find any eccentric/outlandish wines resulting from creativity foreign to its own context.

Maria santissima assunta, abbia pieta' di noi paccatori: it's just a producer's sales pitch and a preposterous one at that, as they often are. "In primis"...:))

And I repeat again, unless we are talking about an amateur pensioner-accountant from Norich pretending to be landed gentry on his 3.5 acres in Umbria (can't afford Toscana) or a peasant making wine for himself, ALL wines today are "designed" (by oenologist) they may be designed to be typical for the area or quite outrageous, outlandish, "original" and, yes, bizarre. Lots of people do that now, trying to get ahead.

philgoddard

United States

15:23 Mar 10, 2020

I think a lot of these answers are overlooking the word "nemmeno". The company is saying its wines are NOT "eccentrici". Whether you choose "designer wines" or something else, it has to be something with negative connotations.

Michael Korovkin

Italy

made in-house doesn't mean homemade

17:30 Mar 9, 2020

and that's what I'm talking about. Most wines are made in-house. This means very little. What is important is what is made and, even more important, how. Each area has its wines typology. Chateau d'Yquem will not start tomorrow churning out (in-house) some sparkling white wine, although I'm more than certain that for an oenologist of Sandrine Garbay's calibre it would be a very easy thing to do – using the same grape.

Michael Korovkin

Italy

Run out of space:(

15:55 Mar 9, 2020

What I would like to underline is that today practically ALL wines are "designer wines". Today one does no longer even ask "who is the maker": one asks "who is their oenologist". A good oenologist today, can make you anything – out of the same grape/s !!!: all depends on how much you're willing to invest.Apart from very few,expensive, monoculture wines (i.e.,Brunello, Sagrantino, Barolo...), all wines are blended by a skillful "designer"-oenologist.What's meant here, re. your question, is making wines totally out of the local "character"/tradition.Like,making,say, "Rose' di Montalcino" :))), well, for impact on non-drinkers of wines, Guiness lager... Actually, I would be tempted to just leave "excentic wines". Trying to think up something better...

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7 mins confidence:

bizarre wines

Explanation:
Webster's: "bizarre = strikingly out of the ordinary ... atypical"

Vittorio Ferretti
Local time: 03:54
Native speaker of:

German

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

designer wines

Explanation:
the sentence makes clear that this is strictly about wines produced by the vineyard
designer wines are a new marketing ploy from creative Southern Hemisphere producers

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Designer-Wines/dp/B01EGQCDUS

Wolfgang Hager
Italy
Local time: 03:54
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

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agree

LAURA PALAMENGA: I agree with you.

10 mins

agree

philgoddard: That's a great idea. I don't fully understand Michael's comment below, but I think he's missing the point.

1 hr

disagree

Michael Korovkin: U r missing the point:"Vini fatti in casa" doesn't mean made from monoculture.Most of the best wines in the world(I'm trying to waste my life on drinking)are made(in casa!)from several varieties.It's not about what is made;it's about how – the typology. \

1 hr

-> !) the text clearly suggests vino fatto in casa, as the best wines are; you have led a wasted life knowing only blended wines;. 2) Designer Wine is almost a proper noun for a new craze; no other wine would merit the term eccentrici.is

agree

Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche: "Designer wines" fits, it means that people are creating new combinations to produce new flavours, not the traditional regional recipe: Chianti wine is made of 80% Sangiovese grapes with 20% of Canaiolo, Colorino, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. chianti.it

1 day 19 hrs

4 hrs confidence:

eclectic wines

Explanation:
http://eclecticwinecellars.com
https://kazzit.com/winery/eclectic-wines.html

Jeanie Eldon
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:54
Native speaker of:

English

7 hrs confidence:

authentic wines

Explanation:
For those of you who may not be up on the jargon, authentic is increasingly being used hand in hand with "natural" to describe a supposedly unique class of wines -- usually those made with biodynamic processes, in small quantities, using traditional techniques.
http://www.vinography.com/archives/2005/10/what_is_an_authen...

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Or natural wine.

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 03:54
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 32

10 hrs confidence:

eccentric/alternatrive/emerging wines

Explanation:
https://justwines.com.au/wineries/eccentric-wines

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 20:54
Native speaker of: Spanish

17 hrs confidence:

Quirky

Explanation:
Eccentric just makes me think of old ladies in purple hats. I think quirky can be positive or slightly negative (as needed here) depending on context. It's saying their wines are authentic, not something fake created for a current fad.

Kathryn Jones
Italy
Local time: 03:54
Native speaker of:

English

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

otlandish wines

Explanation:
eccentric / outre wines
non corresponding to the local traditions, usages, etc.

It has nothing to do with where the "masse" (so -called masses: juices/mosti/just grape masses) come from. Most wines are made from several varieties, but very few wineyards grow more than one. So, apart from few relatively expensive ones (and, paradoxically, dirt-cheap ones), most wines are more or less "concocted".

Here, it's just about not adhering to a certain typology of wine (see Discussion again)

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seing the responses, I'd like to add that what you're translating is quite obviously a sales pitch by some commercial wine-making "house"/enterprise and not by some cottage-industry enthusiast churning out home-made wines. So, all that rousseau-ist harkening to in-house are neither here nor there: as I said, most wines are made in-house. It doesn't mean anything. What's important is not even what they're made from but how they are made: there is Merlot at €3.50, € 700 (Masseto), €2500 (Chateau Petrus), etc. What they are talking about is HOW. Chateau Petrus will not make rose', and Cristal (rose) will not make prosecco.... although both of them easily could (FROM THE SAME GRAPE they make there wines now)

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A thought: have a look – what are those guys make their wine/s from. Very easy, just google the product. Is it monoculture (doubt it) or several varieties together? That will tell you a lot... but not all... Also see if their wines are DOC or at least IGT. If they are not, then they are simply bul...ing.

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In our wines you would never find idustrial flavours and scents artificially concocted in the cellar to cater to the market fashions, nor would you find any eccentric/outlandish wines resulting from creativity foreign to its own context.

with that, I wash my paws! :))

Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 03:54
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian
PRO pts in category: 4

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